[Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police UnionStandNot a Conflict

[Donovan Arnold]

Wayne,
  
 It is my contention that no proof has been provided  that a union will  improve the competency of  the MPD-which  is not needed anyway, our police are highly competent.
  
  Why are you dodging my question? Why do you think that our police are not good enough? What are you saying is wrong with them?
  
  You appear to be the only one saying that they are not good enough. I would like to know why you think that?
  
  Regards,
  
  _DJA

Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:              Donovan,
   
  Is  it your contention that there is nothing about the MPD that either  needs improvement or is likely to need improvement in the  future or actions to prevent degradation in the future?
   
  W.
   
   
  ----- Original Message -----   From: Donovan Arnold 
  To: Art   Deco ; Vision 2020 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police   UnionStandNot a Conflict

  


"Is it then your contention that raising salaries and improving working 
conditions in the MPD will not promote the hiring and retention of more 
able, effective police officers?" Wayne Fox (Art Deco)

Wayne, sounds to me that you are saying our police are not
able or effective enough for Moscow. I am happy with the ones
we got. Why do we need to have better ones, assuming there are better ones?


_DJA





Art   Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:  Gary,

Is     it then your contention that raising salaries and improving working     
conditions in the MPD will not promote the hiring and retention of more     
able, effective police officers?

W.

----- Original Message     ----- 
From: "g. crabtree" 
To: "Tom Hansen"     ; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" 

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:08 PM
Subject: Re:     [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police 
UnionStandNot a     Conflict


> First name familiarity and approachability are     charming concepts but I 
> really do not see how they out weigh the     negatives of the union or even 
> enhance law enforcement in the     community in any appreciable way. (this 
> isn't Detroit or Newark after     all) Perhaps it would be good if you did go 
> on a bit longer because     the only picture I get is of my tax bill going 
> through the roof and     nothing of substance to show for it, except a fatter 
> union and big     grins on a couple of councilmen.
>
> gc
> ----- Original     Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Hansen" 
> To:     "'g. crabtree'" ; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" 
>     
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:28 PM
>     Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police Union     
> StandNot a Conflict
>
>
>> One MAJOR problem     that the Moscow Police Department is experiencing is 
>>     lack
>> of continuity. After a year officers tend to pack up and move     to 
>> "greener
>> pastures", primarily due to     wages/salaries that are not competitive (here 
>> in
>>     Moscow) with other comparably-sized community police departments.
>>     Ultimately this results in loss of quality police     officers.
>>
>> Establishing a police union will ensure the     rights and privileges for our
>> police department; rights and     privileges that have up until just recently
>> received nothing more     than lip service from our city council.
>>
>> Once     continuity is established, the community becomes familiar with 
>>     members
>> of its police force. The community gains first name     familiarity with the
>> officers responsible for protecting its     streets. This level of 
>> familiarity
>> breeds a     relationship where police officers become very     approachable.
>>
>> I could go on and on about how such a     relationship benefits the
>> neighborhoods, but I am sure you get the     picture already.
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow,     Idaho
>>
>> "If not us, who?
>> If not now,     when?"
>>
>> - Unknown
>>
>> -----Original     Message-----
>> From: g. crabtree     [mailto:jampot at adelphia.net]
>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 6:58     PM
>> To: Tom Hansen; Moscow Vision 2020
>> Subject: Re:     [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police Union
>>     StandNot a Conflict
>>
>> Ray writes a fine letter as far as     it goes. The question I have yet to 
>> see
>> answered     satisfactorily is how is a unionized police force is good for 
>>     the
>> city and by extension the citizens? It's easy to see that it     will be good
>> for the union. More dues. It will be good for     politicians who support it.
>> More contributions. It might be good     for the police. More wages and
>> benifits, perhaps. But good for the     people of Moscow as a whole? That 
>> hasn't
>>
>>     been established by any stretch of the imagination. In fact its not too     
>> hard
>>
>> to envision several negative     outcomes that will be brought about by union
>> recognition not the     least of which will be greatly increased costs.
>>
>>     gc
>>
>>
>>
>
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