[Vision2020] Re: David Horowitz [A gift to Ed] Was: A sad day in IDAHO

[Joe Campbell]

What is the "homosexual agenda," Ed? How is the right of one man to marry another man -- e.g., the right of each person to marry the adult person of his or her choice -- a "special" or "group" right and not an individual right? This is a right that you and I enjoy but clearly not everyone enjoys this right. You are the one advocating special rights, rights that straights enjoy but gays and lesbians do not.

This particular liberal does not want "special privileges for every diversity or enclave in the States," so your unsupported generalization is just plain false, as well. All I want is equal rights for all. All I want is the US to realize the true consequences of these very words: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

You can suggest that this is something special but you are smart enough to know better. I didn't notice any footnotes in the Declaration of Independence advocating the narrow interpretation that you would give it. Can you point them out to me?

I await your next evasion of my clear and direct questions.

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Joe Campbell

---- Ed <ecooper at turbonet.com> wrote: 

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Chas,

I'm glad to see you're reading material from quality web sites. Horowitz is not my hero, but a great visionary and thinker. He makes some valid points in the article; but, in my estimation,  he fails to stress the importance of our Constitutionally-grounded individual rights in a society that is increasingly demanding group rights. 

True conservatives advocate equal rights for all; liberals want special privileges for every diversity or enclave in the States. In my estimation, he (Horowitz) was a bit over the line in his dismissal of the KKK analogy. The KKK is somebody--even though their intentions/actions are racially-driven. However, one could categorize both these groups' agendas as harmful, detrimental to society. (Note, I don't advocate violence towards any person or any group--or kicking someone in the groin for that matter. )

In sum, the article was well-written, but failed to mention his true feelings about the homosexual agenda..

FWIW, my idol (if I had one) would be Lawrence Auster...another Jewish American.. (Horowitz and Feder, also great conservative Jewish intellects.) Course, I'm a racist, sexist, homophobe if you listen to some people..

Thanks for sharing the article, Chas.  I enjoyed it...

--Ed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chasuk 
  To: Ed 
  Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:25 PM
  Subject: David Horowitz [A gift to Ed] Was: A sad day in IDAHO


  On 5/17/06, Ed <ecooper at turbonet.com> wrote:

  > Next, a well-written article, by a Jewish intellect, many will find
  > interesting

  > HOMOSEXUALS HAVE EASTER BUNNY IN THEIR SIGHTS

  Thank you, Ed.  In the spirit of reciprocity, I'll share an article
  written by your hero, David Horowitz.  Actually, I think everyone
  should read this article.  I found it informative, and Horowitz is
  definitely not my hero.

  http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=7910

  Pride Before a Fall

  In four Gospels - including the Sermon on the Mount -  Jesus neglected
  to mention the subject of homosexuality. But that hasn't stopped a
  handful of self-appointed leaders of the so-called Religious Right
  from deciding that it is an issue worth the presidency of the United
  States. In what the Washington Times described as a "stormy session"
  last week, the Rev. Lou Sheldon, Paul Weyrich, Gary Bauer and eight
  other "social conservatives" read the riot act to RNC chairman Marc
  Racicot for meeting with the "Human Rights Campaign," a group
  promoting legal protections for homosexuals. This indiscretion, they
  said, "could put Bush's entire re-election campaign in jeopardy."

  According to the Times' report by Ralph Hallow, the RNC chairman
  defended himself by saying, "You people don't want me to meet with
  other folks, but I meet with anybody and everybody." To this Gary
  Bauer retorted, "That can't be true because you surely would not meet
  with the leaders of the Ku Klux Klan."

  Nice analogy Gary. Way to love thy neighbor.

  This demand to quarantine a political enemy might have had more
  credibility if the target – the Campaign for Human Rights -- were
  busily burning crosses on social conservatives' lawns. But they
  aren't. Moreover, the fact that it is, after all, crosses the Ku Klux
  Klan burns, might suggest a little more humility on the part of
  Christians addressing these issues. Just before the launching of the
  2000 presidential campaign, George Bush himself was asked about
  similarly mean-spirited Republican attacks. His response was that
  politicians like him weren't elected to pontificate about other
  people's morals and that his own faith admonished him to take the beam
  out of his own eye before obsessing over the mote in someone else's.

  The real issue here is tolerance of differences in a pluralistic
  society. Tolerance is different from approval, but it is also
  different from stigmatizing and shunning those with whom we disagree.

  I say this as someone who is well aware that Christians are themselves
  a persecuted community in liberal America, and as one who has stood up
  for the rights of Christians like Paul Weyrich and Gary Bauer to have
  their views, even when I have not agreed with some of their agendas.
  Not long ago, I went out on a public limb to defend Paul Weyrich when
  he was under attack by the Washington Post and other predictable
  sources for a remark he had made that was (reasonably) construed as
  anti-Semitic. I defended Weyrich because I have known him to be a
  decent man without malice towards Jews and I did not want to see him
  condemned for a careless remark. I defended him in order to protest
  the way in which we have become a less tolerant and more mean-spirited
  culture than we were.

  I have this to say to Paul: A delegation to the chairman of the RNC to
  demand that he have no dialogue with the members of an organization
  for human rights is itself intolerant, and serves neither your ends
  nor ours. You told Racicot, "if the perception is out there that the
  party has accepted the homosexual agenda, the leaders of the
  pro-family community will be unable to help turn out the pro-family
  voters. It won't matter what we say; people will leave in droves."

  This is disingenuous, since you are a community leader and share the
  attitude you describe. In other words, what you are really saying is
  that if the mere perception is that the Republican Party has accepted
  the "homosexual agenda," you will tell your followers to defect with
  the disastrous consequences that may follow. As a fellow conservative,
  I do not understand how in good conscience you can do this. Are you
  prepared to have President Howard Dean or President John Kerry preside
  over our nation's security? Do you think a liberal in the White House
  is going to advance the agendas of social conservatives? What can you
  be thinking?

  In the second place, the very term "homosexual agenda," is an
  expression of intolerance as well. Since when do all homosexuals think
  alike? In fact, thirty percent of the gay population voted Republican
  in the last presidential election. This is a greater percentage than
  blacks, Hispanics or Jews. Were these homosexuals simply deluded into
  thinking that George Bush shared their agendas? Or do they perhaps
  have agendas that are as complex, diverse and separable from their
  sexuality as women, gun owners or Christians, for that matter?

  In your confusion on these matters, you have fallen into the trap set
  for you by your enemies on the left. It is the left that insists its
  radical agendas are the agendas of blacks and women and gays. Are you
  ready to make this concession -- that the left speaks for these
  groups, for minorities and "the oppressed?" Isn't it the heart of the
  conservative argument that liberalism (or, as I would call it,
  leftism) is bad doctrine for all humanity, not just white Christian
  males?

  If the President's party – or conservatism itself -- is to prevail in
  the political wars, it must address the concerns of all Americans and
  seek to win their hearts and minds. It is conservative values that
  forge our community and create our coalition, and neither you nor
  anyone else has - or should have - a monopoly in determining what
  those values are.