[Vision2020] Sure signs of a feminist
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Sun May 14 10:13:52 PDT 2006
Actually, Ed, a foolproof sign of a feminist is someone who tells you she's
one. No sleuthing needed.
I am a feminist.
There you go.
KEELY
From: "Ed" <ecooper at turbonet.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: [Vision2020] Sure signs of a feminist
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:06:24 -0700
Sure signs of a feminist
1) Signs her name in lowercase
2) Uses an initial only when signing her name
Note: many other clues exist, and are readily available to the sentient
--Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: keely emerinemix
To: joanopyr at moscow.com ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] Joan: not at all dangerous
I read this after I read Ed's screed on "real men" and "real women." I
was
temted to respond to Ed, who told us that real women know they should not
hold positions of authority, that real men must protect them and never
cry
-- a sign of weakness, Ed blusters. I was appropriately revulsed, angry,
and saddened.
Then I read this. I know that it will feed Ed's ravenous vitriol, and
that
my own husband might be caught in the smorgasbord. But what Joan wrote
fed
me, too, albeit in different ways. Her analysis of Kirk "masculinity"
strikes me as right on; I wish I could take credit for it. They are
future
men in every sense, although I suppose that statement -- "future men" --
expresses certainty in what I can only hope for them -- the attainment of
full, mature, Christian masculinity. It will look absolutely nothing
like
Ed, or ToeKnee, or Doug Farris/Wilson/Jones, and a great deal like the
historical Jesus.
You know -- the one who wept, who upheld and respected and encouraged
women
as equals, and who saved his verbal fire for the powerful, pompous and
privileged. Sorry, Ed. If your Savior is a misanthropic blowhard,
you've
got the wrong one.
For those of you interested in Biblical feminism, even if just to see if
such a thing exists, check out Christians for Biblical Equality at
cbe.org.
As we CBE'ers say, ". . . hey, Jesus started it!"
Yours in radical equality between the sexes,
keely
From: Joan Opyr <joanopyr at moscow.com>
To: Vision2020 Moscow <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joan: not at all dangerous
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 22:52:49 -0700
On May 13, 2006, at 6:53 AM, keely emerinemix wrote:
>Perhaps you noticed, Tony, that Joan's threat was conditioned on
Heirdoug's
>ever referring to her children in any way in any public forum, a
privilege
>he most certainly does not have and yet one he has a tendency to assume.
>Your concern is for protecting Doug's genitals; hers is for protecting
her
>children. Let's hope they're both safe so you can get back to obsessing
>about whatever it is that gets you going today.
>
>By the way, Joan is not "man-hating." She's quite fond of my husband,
and
>I applaud any friendship between my man and anyone who can discuss with
him
>the peculiar joys of the Honda 70 series trail bike, which relieves me
from
>ever having to repeat the embarrassment of assuming that the "70" refers
to
>the year in which it was built.
>
>Thank you, Joan. And Tony, it's time to go wipe the foam from your
mouth .
>. .
>
>keely
Thank you, Keely and Chasuk, for your eloquent defenses. As you can
imagine, I don't give rat's fanny what Tony Simpson thinks; I care very
much
what you do. I only want to add a couple of observations to what you've
already said. First and most important, you will note that I never make
derogatory statements about the wives or children of Doug Farris, Dale
Courtney, or Ed Cooper Swan. They are not part of our "conversations."
I
find such references to my own minor children deeply offensive. DF, DC,
and
ECS know this, of course, but they have no shame -- a consequence, I
think,
of their collective lack of maturity.
Doug Wilson has written a book called 'Future Men.' Perhaps some of you
are
familiar with it? I've come to believe that there's an unintended double
entendre in that title. In my lengthy experience with the male members
of
the Kirk, all of the men are future men. There's a sad lack of men, real
adult men, in the here and now. In the rarified atmosphere Wilson's
Neverland, men play-act at being Oxford dons, or seminary students, or
professors, poets, philosophers, theologians, great writers and great
thinkers and, worst of all, jolly Victorian patriarchs. They lay claim
to
authority and status, respect and power that they have not earned and do
not
deserve. They lay claim to omniscience. There is nothing that they do
not
pretend to know and know well, and they speak with all the blustering
inerrancy of the precocious 14-year old. Back when Doug Wilson started
Logos School, he advertised a full classical curriculum. At the time, he
was taking Latin 101 at the University of Idaho. This qualified him to
teach Latin? Of course! Because Doug wanted to teach Latin, by God, he
was
qualified to teach Latin. We should consider ourselves lucky he didn't
settle on brain surgery. Or amateur gynecology.
I like men qua men; I always have. But when I say that, I mean that I
like
grown-up men. I like men who are secure in themselves; men who are
secure
in the knowledge that recognizing women as equals is not a threat to
their
own masculinity. Being a feminist is not about hating men; it's about
respecting women. Being a lesbian is not about hating men; it's about
preferring women as sexual and life partners. I count among my closest
friends equal numbers of men and women. I love my father-in-law, Don
Huskey. He has taught me more about what it means to be a strong man and
a
good parent than I could fit into a ten-volume encyclopedia. He's a
former
Marine Corps captain and the first male feminist I ever had the privilege
of
meeting. (I've met many more since.) My brothers-in-law Johnny, Micah,
and
Lew are fine men, terrific fathers, and close friends. I enjoy their
company. We share the same interests and hobbies. (And, yes, we all
laugh
at fart jokes).
Keely's husband, Jeff, is a kind and gentle man with tremendous inner
strength. It emanates from him in waves. I wouldn't hesitate to call on
him in times of trouble. I have remained very close to my high school
"boyfriends," Brian and Dave and Boris. Brother Carl Westberg is the
brother I never had. I don't hesitate to say that I adore him, or that
he
is one of the finest men I have ever known. It is my honor to call him
friend. (Because he's Scandinavian, he'll be embarrassed to death when
he
reads this. Sorry, Carl, but it's the truth. You are a stellar man.)
The epigram at the beginning of my book is an old saying of my
grandfather's: Everything turns from sugar to shit. I can't express
what
my grandfather mean to me. He and I spent thirty-six years locked
together
in a mutual admiration society. I thought he was the end-all, be-all,
and
he thought I was the bee's knees. It was Ranny Watkins who taught me to
stand up to bullies; to protect my children; and to fight like hell for
them. I make no apologies for that. When I say to Doug Farris, "You may
go
this far but no farther," I mean it. His dismemberment may only be
figurative; it will be verbal, not literal. But it will be a
dismemberment.
I have a tongue like a machete and the will to use it. Do not tempt
me.
A few days ago, I emailed Doug Farris privately. In light of Tony's
juvenile frothing, I will now share that email with the list. You'll
find
it below my signature. Make of it what you will. It sums up my
sentiments
exactly.
Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
www.joanopyr.com
From: Joan Opyr
To: Doug Farris
Subject: The root of your bitterness
What kids, Doug? The kids I love. The kids I care for. The kids for
whom
I've been saving for college since the day they were born. The kids who
know me as a devoted stay-at-home mom. The children of my heart and my
soul. There's more to family than biology, Doug. Much, much more. I'm
sorry that you seem incapable of understanding that. I'm sorry that you
find it appropriate or even funny to be cruel to minor children who have
never and would never do you or your children any harm. I'm sorry you
have
so little in common with the Christ you say you worship.
I'm going to leave you alone now, Doug. In truth, I feel sorry for you.
Your world is so sadly small and circumscribed. You seem to know nothing
of
charity, of generosity, or of kindness. You seem to know nothing of
love.
You must feel so insecure, so alone, and so fundamentally empty. Kicking
you is like kicking the air. You're a high wind with nothing to blow.
I'm doing you a mitzvah, Doug. I'm forgiving you. And now, I'll forget
you.
Shalom,
Joan
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