[] Re: [] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?

Carl Westberg carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com
Thu May 11 09:39:39 PDT 2006


"While we are at it lets make liver illegal..".  My liver probably is 
illegal.  Carl Westberg Jr.


>From: joekc at adelphia.net
>To: Ed <ecooper at turbonet.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>Subject: Re: [] Re: [] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 9:25:48 -0700
>
>While we are at it lets make liver illegal, too. I can't stand the stuff!
>
>--
>Joe Campbell
>
>---- Ed <ecooper at turbonet.com> wrote:
>
>=============
>A behooved reply to some of Ms. Keely's unmix....
>
>she states: "That Ed finds homosexual behavior sinful is one thing, 
>although I hope he
>would at least appeal to his understanding of the Bible and not to his own
>disgust over what he perceives as icky -- we're in trouble if Ed's 
>standards
>become the norm"...
>
>Wake up Ms. Mix, my standards are the norm--well, except in 'round town 
>Moscow or in San Francisco. And this beacon of truth hopes they stay that 
>way...
>
>--Ed
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: keely emerinemix
>   To: ecooper at turbonet.com ; privatejf32 at hotmail.com ; 
>vision2020 at moscow.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 4:14 PM
>   Subject: [Spam] Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
>
>
>   Earlier this week, I apologized to Ed for having said that the "light" 
>he
>   shone forth was, unlike the light of Christ to which he was referring,
>   simply garish, obnoxious, and without value (I was much more colorful, 
>but
>   there's no need to repeat it).  I had second thoughts and apologized,
>   thinking I was judgmental, harsh, and unduly condemning.
>
>   Never mind.
>
>   Based on his comments below, which are another foaming-at-the-mouth rant
>   against homosexuality, I think I was right.  He is all heat, not light, 
>and
>   whatever flashes of brilliance he shows are not intellectual in nature 
>but
>   simply flashes of momentary ocular interruption.
>
>   That Ed finds homosexual behavior sinful is one thing, although I hope 
>he
>   would at least appeal to his understanding of the Bible and not to his 
>own
>   disgust over what he perceives as icky -- we're in trouble if Ed's 
>standards
>   become the norm.  And while I have said before that Christians who hold 
>to a
>   conservative reading of Scripture regarding homosexuality are not
>   automatically better Christians, more Christlike and mature, than those 
>who
>   don't, I will acknowledge that most conservative Christians see the 
>behavior
>   condemned in the Bible.  But while there is legitimate dispute over
>   prooftexts that appear to be ironclad to some and not so to others, 
>there is
>   NO dispute over the entirety of the OT and NT text, which calls for love 
>as
>   the highest ideal.  Not heterosexuality, not conservatism, not
>   fundamentalism, not even disgust at sin.  And so, on that basis, I can
>   readily and unapologetically conclude that Ed is not shining forth the 
>light
>   of his Savior, but a cheap and entirely offensive counterfeit that does 
>no
>   one any good -- and certainly doesn't glorify God.
>
>   More immediately bizarre, of course, is that he considers the polygamy 
>of
>   Colorado City to be less evil than even committed, loving homosexual
>   relationships.  Remember what Ed apparently can't grasp:  that the 
>Warren
>   Jeffs brand of polygamy, and much if not most other examples of 
>quasi-Mormon
>   polygamy, are not examples of sexually healthy, free, autonomous and 
>of-age
>   women simply being satisfied by one loving, albeit fickle, stud.  These
>   "women" are often young teenagers, and none of them has the security of 
>a
>   loving community around them; the self-worth and confidence to refuse 
>sexual
>   attention or childbearing; the autonomy to turn down "marriages" to men 
>who
>   are strangers to them, or, worse, family members; or the economic and 
>social
>   viability to escape.  Girls are raped, boys are cast out as 
>"competition" to
>   the horny perverts who mask as God's chosen leaders of the home, church, 
>and
>   society, and women are consigned to a form of sexual slavery that is no 
>less
>   horrific because "God" is invoked in its practice.
>
>   Ed should be ashamed that he finds the practice of homosexuality, even
>   between two adults who love each other, more repugnant than the above.  
>On
>   the other hand, patriarchy and homophobia are two monuments to an idol
>   located south of a man's heart, and protecting that idol evidently 
>involves
>   more bigotry than most people can possibly muster.
>
>   keely
>
>
>
>
>   From: "Ed" <ecooper at turbonet.com>
>   To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>   Subject: Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
>   Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:22:16 -0700
>
>   Hey J:
>
>   Since my name was used derogatorily in your losing exchange with Dale, I
>   feel compelled to add my two cents. Although, I'm not a polygamist, I 
>see
>   it's fruits (no pun intended) far less damaging than those of the 
>abnormal,
>   twisted, despicable perversion of homosexuality...
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: J Ford
>      To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>      Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:12 PM
>      Subject: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
>
>
>      Dale C:
>
>      Criminal Probe of Church
>
>      The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) 
>is
>   one
>      of a number of polygamist sects in and near Utah. Followers believe 
>the
>      Mormons went the wrong direction when it abandoned polygamy more than 
>a
>      century ago as Utah was seeking statehood.
>
>      Since we're in the middle of redefining "marriage", why go after this
>   group?
>
>      Me:
>
>      ARE YOU FRIGGING KIDDING???!!!  This group is so abusing its members,
>      women/children mostly, and you have to ask why they are being looked 
>into
>      and sought after?
>
>      CD Witmer says:
>
>      Why go after this group? Well, apart from the fact that they are
>      polygamists, they have the "look and feel" of WASPs and therefore 
>don't
>   get
>      protected status. Now if they were promoting multiple-partner 
>HOMOSEXUAL
>      marriage, you can bet they would be protected.
>
>      Me:
>
>      Geez, dude - what world do you live in?  You can't possibly be this 
>sick
>      that you believe the crap you spew?!  Don't tell me - you're one of 
>those
>      "we whites have to stick together or get lost in the crowd" kinda
>      guys....like Mr. Ed?
>
>      Anyone else see a parallel of Colorado City to the Moscow that 
>Dougie-Boy
>   is
>      working to create?  He may not be talking multiple marriages at one 
>time
>      (yet) but he certainly has the land development , "own(ing of) 
>businesses
>      and property," the harassment of former members, etc. and other 
>illegal
>      activities part down.  Only a matter of time....if Moscow just closes
>   it's
>      eyes long enough.
>
>      J  :|
>
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