[] Re: [] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
Carl Westberg
carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com
Thu May 11 09:39:39 PDT 2006
"While we are at it lets make liver illegal..". My liver probably is
illegal. Carl Westberg Jr.
>From: joekc at adelphia.net
>To: Ed <ecooper at turbonet.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>Subject: Re: [] Re: [] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 9:25:48 -0700
>
>While we are at it lets make liver illegal, too. I can't stand the stuff!
>
>--
>Joe Campbell
>
>---- Ed <ecooper at turbonet.com> wrote:
>
>=============
>A behooved reply to some of Ms. Keely's unmix....
>
>she states: "That Ed finds homosexual behavior sinful is one thing,
>although I hope he
>would at least appeal to his understanding of the Bible and not to his own
>disgust over what he perceives as icky -- we're in trouble if Ed's
>standards
>become the norm"...
>
>Wake up Ms. Mix, my standards are the norm--well, except in 'round town
>Moscow or in San Francisco. And this beacon of truth hopes they stay that
>way...
>
>--Ed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: keely emerinemix
> To: ecooper at turbonet.com ; privatejf32 at hotmail.com ;
>vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 4:14 PM
> Subject: [Spam] Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
>
>
> Earlier this week, I apologized to Ed for having said that the "light"
>he
> shone forth was, unlike the light of Christ to which he was referring,
> simply garish, obnoxious, and without value (I was much more colorful,
>but
> there's no need to repeat it). I had second thoughts and apologized,
> thinking I was judgmental, harsh, and unduly condemning.
>
> Never mind.
>
> Based on his comments below, which are another foaming-at-the-mouth rant
> against homosexuality, I think I was right. He is all heat, not light,
>and
> whatever flashes of brilliance he shows are not intellectual in nature
>but
> simply flashes of momentary ocular interruption.
>
> That Ed finds homosexual behavior sinful is one thing, although I hope
>he
> would at least appeal to his understanding of the Bible and not to his
>own
> disgust over what he perceives as icky -- we're in trouble if Ed's
>standards
> become the norm. And while I have said before that Christians who hold
>to a
> conservative reading of Scripture regarding homosexuality are not
> automatically better Christians, more Christlike and mature, than those
>who
> don't, I will acknowledge that most conservative Christians see the
>behavior
> condemned in the Bible. But while there is legitimate dispute over
> prooftexts that appear to be ironclad to some and not so to others,
>there is
> NO dispute over the entirety of the OT and NT text, which calls for love
>as
> the highest ideal. Not heterosexuality, not conservatism, not
> fundamentalism, not even disgust at sin. And so, on that basis, I can
> readily and unapologetically conclude that Ed is not shining forth the
>light
> of his Savior, but a cheap and entirely offensive counterfeit that does
>no
> one any good -- and certainly doesn't glorify God.
>
> More immediately bizarre, of course, is that he considers the polygamy
>of
> Colorado City to be less evil than even committed, loving homosexual
> relationships. Remember what Ed apparently can't grasp: that the
>Warren
> Jeffs brand of polygamy, and much if not most other examples of
>quasi-Mormon
> polygamy, are not examples of sexually healthy, free, autonomous and
>of-age
> women simply being satisfied by one loving, albeit fickle, stud. These
> "women" are often young teenagers, and none of them has the security of
>a
> loving community around them; the self-worth and confidence to refuse
>sexual
> attention or childbearing; the autonomy to turn down "marriages" to men
>who
> are strangers to them, or, worse, family members; or the economic and
>social
> viability to escape. Girls are raped, boys are cast out as
>"competition" to
> the horny perverts who mask as God's chosen leaders of the home, church,
>and
> society, and women are consigned to a form of sexual slavery that is no
>less
> horrific because "God" is invoked in its practice.
>
> Ed should be ashamed that he finds the practice of homosexuality, even
> between two adults who love each other, more repugnant than the above.
>On
> the other hand, patriarchy and homophobia are two monuments to an idol
> located south of a man's heart, and protecting that idol evidently
>involves
> more bigotry than most people can possibly muster.
>
> keely
>
>
>
>
> From: "Ed" <ecooper at turbonet.com>
> To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:22:16 -0700
>
> Hey J:
>
> Since my name was used derogatorily in your losing exchange with Dale, I
> feel compelled to add my two cents. Although, I'm not a polygamist, I
>see
> it's fruits (no pun intended) far less damaging than those of the
>abnormal,
> twisted, despicable perversion of homosexuality...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J Ford
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:12 PM
> Subject: [Spam] [Vision2020] Why Go After Them?
>
>
> Dale C:
>
> Criminal Probe of Church
>
> The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS)
>is
> one
> of a number of polygamist sects in and near Utah. Followers believe
>the
> Mormons went the wrong direction when it abandoned polygamy more than
>a
> century ago as Utah was seeking statehood.
>
> Since we're in the middle of redefining "marriage", why go after this
> group?
>
> Me:
>
> ARE YOU FRIGGING KIDDING???!!! This group is so abusing its members,
> women/children mostly, and you have to ask why they are being looked
>into
> and sought after?
>
> CD Witmer says:
>
> Why go after this group? Well, apart from the fact that they are
> polygamists, they have the "look and feel" of WASPs and therefore
>don't
> get
> protected status. Now if they were promoting multiple-partner
>HOMOSEXUAL
> marriage, you can bet they would be protected.
>
> Me:
>
> Geez, dude - what world do you live in? You can't possibly be this
>sick
> that you believe the crap you spew?! Don't tell me - you're one of
>those
> "we whites have to stick together or get lost in the crowd" kinda
> guys....like Mr. Ed?
>
> Anyone else see a parallel of Colorado City to the Moscow that
>Dougie-Boy
> is
> working to create? He may not be talking multiple marriages at one
>time
> (yet) but he certainly has the land development , "own(ing of)
>businesses
> and property," the harassment of former members, etc. and other
>illegal
> activities part down. Only a matter of time....if Moscow just closes
> it's
> eyes long enough.
>
> J :|
>
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