[Vision2020] The Human Toll

Tue May 9 21:18:44 PDT 2006

Yeah...like it ain't?  You watch, dontcha?  Why, if not to hear what has 
happened that day or what the toll has been?

Get real - during the "war that wasn't" the mentality was "don't tell them 
the truth and they won't hate us....we need them to support us for as long 
as possible."  Can't do that if they know the true cost or the true numbers.

At my age - been there, heard that more than I care to remember.

And since when are the villagers and children "the enemy"?  Seems to me 
that's what we were told in Asia - "Don't trust any of them - they all carry 
weapons or bombs and will kill ya as soon as look at ya!"  Crap then, crap 
now!!!!

J  :]

>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Human Toll
>Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:06:46 -0700
>
>J,
>You are on to something. I mean its the first thing I look forward to in 
>the 5:30 news, is the death count, or in your eyes the miscounted death 
>count of our enemy. Hell I bet the media has better numbers then our Gov.
>
>MD
>
>
>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Human Toll
>>Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 20:43:32 -0700
>>
>>Hey, what was good enough in 'nam...right?
>>
>>Not like this is the first time the Oval Office has "mis"counted - won't 
>>be the last.  But, isn't it like the WMD we have yet to find but KNOW are 
>>there - somewhere?
>>
>>J  :]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Human Toll
>>>Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:56:05 -0700
>>>
>>>I understand it's the government's policy not to count the Iraqi dead, 
>>>unless they can be classified as 'insurgents.'
>>>
>>>We only count those things which are important to us.  If we do attack 
>>>Iran, we won't count their dead either.
>>>
>>>Sunil
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>>>>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Human Toll
>>>>Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:30:59 -0700
>>>>
>>>>Donovan asks:
>>>>
>>>>"...what about the Iraqis?"
>>>>
>>>>Iraqi citizens are important.  They are human beings.  Many are being 
>>>>indiscriminately slain and injured by insurgents and by the other perils 
>>>>of warfare including U.S. military action.  Many slain are among those 
>>>>trying to rebuild their country.
>>>>
>>>>We need to consider their deaths as tragic as any other, especially 
>>>>since many of those slain did request the war nor support it from the 
>>>>beginning.
>>>>
>>>>However, where would we get a list like the one that Tom Hansen posts of 
>>>>our unfortunate countrymen who paid the ultimate price for this 
>>>>misadventure (not to mention the price paid by their families, friends, 
>>>>employers, etc)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps Donovan you could supply us with such a list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>>>>deco at moscow.com
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: Donovan Arnold
>>>>To: Tom Hansen ; Moscow Vision 2020
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:31 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Human Toll
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Are these numbers just US Soldiers, what about the Iraqis?
>>>>
>>>>_DJA
>>>>
>>>>Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>>   >From the May 15, 2006 edition of the Army Times -
>>>>
>>>>   ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>   U.S. service members who died while supporting combat operations in 
>>>>Iraq,
>>>>   confirmed by the Defense Department from April 28 to May 4:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Army Cpl. Robbie G. Light, 21, May 1, Baghdad
>>>>
>>>>   Lance Cpl. Robert L. Moscillo, 21, May 1, Anbar, Iraq
>>>>
>>>>   Army Sgt. Steve M. Sakoda, 29, April 29, Baghdad
>>>>
>>>>   Marine Sgt. Edward G. Davis III, 31, April 28, Anbar, Iraq
>>>>
>>>>   Army Sgt. Jose Gomez, 23, April 28, Baghdad
>>>>
>>>>   Marine Cpl. Brandon M. Hardy, 25, April 28, Anbar, Iraq
>>>>
>>>>   Army Staff Sgt. Bryant A. Herlem, 37, April 28, Baghdad
>>>>
>>>>   Marine Sgt. Lea R. Mills, 21, April 28, Anbar, Iraq
>>>>
>>>>   Army 1st Sgt. Bobby Mendez, 38, April 27, Baghdad
>>>>
>>>>   Army Staff Sgt. Mark A. Wall, 27, April 27, Mosul, Iraq
>>>>
>>>>   Army Sgt. Matthew A. Webber, 23, April 27, Habbaniyah, Iraq
>>>>
>>>>   Lance Cpl. Michael L. Ford, 19, April 26, Anbar, Iraq
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   OIF casualty totals
>>>>
>>>>   April 28-May 4
>>>>
>>>>   Killed: 15; Wounded in action: 112
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   March 19, 2003-May 4, 2006
>>>>
>>>>   Killed: 2,404; Wounded in action: 17,874
>>>>
>>>>   ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>   Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>>
>>>>   Tom Hansen
>>>>   Moscow, Idaho
>>>>
>>>>   "Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the 
>>>>tranquil
>>>>   and steady dedication of a lifetime."
>>>>
>>>>   --Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.
>>>>
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