[Vision2020] Melynda, Keely, and Dick

Fri May 5 18:20:31 PDT 2006

I made it clear that your private comments to me were making me angry.  Your 
views, however much I disagree with them, do not anger me; your inability to 
accept mine without presuming some feminine, psycho-emotional backdrop to 
them does.

I promise not to assume that some deep, dark secret of yours motivates your 
opinions on promiscuity, abortion, homosexuality or anything else if you'll 
accord me the respect of taking my comments at face value, judging them on 
their logical and rational content, and then embracing or rejecting them -- 
not running them through a Dick-designed grid of sordid histories and 
shameful pasts.  Deal . . . or no deal?

Because the notches on my bedpost, pal, record nothing more than "A" grades 
on my English papers and pseudochivalrous men I've used my rhetorical skills 
to dismiss and dispatch.  Believe me, I have no intention of adding you . . 
.

keely

From: "rvrcowboy" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>,        "keely emerinemix" 
<kjajmix1 at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Melynda, Keely, and Dick
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:26:22 -0700

Keely,

If you are getting "pissed off", live with it.  You have an angry streak
over something, you know, a chip on your shoulder like you are expecting to
be attacked at any minute.  It has been my experience that sort of anger is
usually brought on by some guilt in the person being angered.

If you are letting me anger you, you are letting me control you.  That is
your problem, not mine.  It is not my intent to anger anyone but I get
impatient with the childish name calling and snippy attitudes from some of
the people here.  If you can't openly discuss any topic without getting
angry, then maybe you should figure out why.

How will libs and conservatives ever compromise and get to know the feelings
of the other side without open discussion?  I may never agree with your
point of view but I am open to discussion and civility.

Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
To: <melynda at moscow.com>; <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Melynda, Keely, and Dick

 > Melynda beat me to the "children and animals can't consent" punch, and 
her
 > analysis was much better than what I would have written.
 >
 > Dick, a conservative Christian, might also avail himself of Lewis Smedes'
 > work on homosexuality, which he will find compelling.
 >
 > Dick might also stop writing me off-list to suggest that guilt over some
 > issue in my past motivates my "quick to anger" response to his posts.
Dick
 > is starting to really piss Keely off.
 >
 > keely
 >
 >
 > From: Melynda Huskey <melynda at moscow.com>
 > To: rvrcowboy <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
 > CC: Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
 > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Beastiality and Incest
 > Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 21:57:38 -0700
 >
 > rvrcowboy wrote:
 > >I sincerely hope people here do not take this post the wrong way but
there
 > >is a question that has been troubling me for some time.  As far as I
know,
 > >and believe me I am no expert here, many of the same cites in the Bible
 > >which speak directly about homosexuality also speak directly about
 > >beastiality and incest.  I have heard people justify their homosexual
acts
 > >by stating that these passages of the Bible also ban other things, like
 > >eating pork, etc..  Since many here are openly homosexual, or gay if you
 > >prefer, I would like very much to know your views on beastiality and
 > >incest.  Do you believe these are also a matter of choice that the Bible
 > >does not take seriously?
 > Dear Dick,
 >
 > Levitus 18 has one such string of prohibitions, starting with all the
 > forbidden degrees of incest, and then moving on to  no sex with a
 > menstruating woman, with a kinsman's wife, no infant sacrifices to 
Moloch,
 > no man-with-man sex, no bestiality (and for the first time, we see a
mention
 > of women as sexually active--women are forbidden to have sex with 
animals,
 > too).  In Leviticus 12:24, we're told why.  "Do not defile yourself in 
any
 > of these ways, for by all these practices the nations I am casting out
have
 > defiled themselves."  These are ritual prohibitions, having to do with 
the
 > religious practices of the surrounding nations, the Baal and Ashtoreth 
and
 > Moloch worshippers of the region.  The Jews are being called to keep
 > themselves entirely separate from their neighbors, to practice a specific
 > and well-regulated kind of animal sacrifice, to eat in a way unlike the
 > people around them, and to completely dissociate themselves from their
 > Gentile neighbors.
 >
 > None of the gay people I've known practiced or were proponents of incest
or
 > bestiality, whether they were Christian or not.   For myself, as a
Christian
 > and as a lesbian, I find both practices repugnant.  Neither children nor
 > animals can consent to sex; they ought never to be exploited for the
 > satisfaction of more powerful people.  "Then he took a little child and
put
 > it among them; and taking it in his arms, he said to them, "Whoever
welcomes
 > one such child in my name welcomes me . . ." (Mark 9:36-37)
 >
 > I believe when gay people object to having certain passages of Scripture
 > used as weapons against them, it is most often because the people who are
 > doing so don't themselves abide by every Levitical or Deteronomical
 > injunction.  If you wear blended fibers, or plant mixed crops, or eat
 > shellfish, I am less likely to take seriously your demand that I stop
being
 > gay because the Bible says not to.
 >
 > Melynda Huskey
 >
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