FW: [Vision2020] Dear President Bush

[lfalen]

Some thoughts on ilegals and immigration

I am sure that in some cases there are abuses of ilegals. I think that the biggest abusers are the people that smuggle in ilegals
In cases I know of where ilegals might be hired there is no abuse. My son works for Magic Valley Farms in Wendell. They are a company that produce specialty onions shallots, potatoes  etc. that  are marketed to nich markets world wide. Their starting wage for everyone is $10.00 per hour. A lot of mexicans are employed there that do not speak english. They have green cards. That is not to say that they are valid. Tabor Dairy at shoshone pays ther workers (mostly mexican) $2000 per month and provide a place for them to stay. The emigration issue is  a tough one. There a lot of problems no matter how you look at it. There is a shortage of workers in the US, particular for farm labor. The guest worker program is needed.
The problem is how to ensure that people are here legally. I do not have a problem with anyone wanting to become US citizens. There is a problem with large segments staying here and maintaining a separate language, I think it is fine to maintain their culture. The Basque people are a good example of those that have came here and maintained their culture, but have learned  english and have blended into society. Maintaining  a separate language results in balkanisation. The US was built on immigration and has been a melting pot. This is the way it should be. How to solve the problem of ilegal will be hard to do, maybe imposable. For those that are here the best thing that can be done is to teach them english with all possible speed.

Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "rvrcowboy" rvrcowboy at clearwire.net
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 07:04:51 -0700
To: "Vision2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: FW: [Vision2020] Dear President Bush

> Well, this all certainly makes sense!!  I see the liberal view much more
> clearly now, all we have to do is make all the illegals legal, then they
> won't work under the threat of being deported if they fight to better
> themselves.  Of course that will eliminate the incentive for unscroupulous
> businesses to hire them in the first place, since they will no longer have
> the advantage of exploiting the illegals.  Since it will then make more
> sense NOT to hire them in the first place, the illegals will no longer have
> an incentive to cross the border and they will all go home.
> 
> You libs have had it all figured out all along, we just weren't smart enough
> to catch on.  Kudos to you!!!
> 
> Dick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> To: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>; "Kai Eiselein, LatahEagle Editor"
> <editor at lataheagle.com>
> Cc: "Vision2020 at Moscow. Com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:48 PM
> Subject: Re: FW: [Vision2020] Dear President Bush
> 
> 
> > Part of what you say is true. However I think the employer pays minimum
> wage. They also pay into workmen's compensation and social security.
> >
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Andreas Schou" ophite at gmail.com
> > Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:26:01 -0700
> > To: "Kai Eiselein, LatahEagle Editor" editor at lataheagle.com
> > Subject: Re: FW: [Vision2020] Dear President Bush
> >
> > > > But why...oh why.....do so many liberals defend illegal aliens'
> "right" to
> > > > work in the U.S. (illegaly, mind you), yet condemn businesses for
> hiring
> > > > them?
> > >
> > > Simple: when American businesses hire illegal immigrants, they do so
> > > because they don't want to pay minimum wage to an American. They do so
> > > because if the immigrants try to organize, they can call Homeland
> > > Security and send htem back home. And they know that they won't get
> > > punished for wage and safety violations, because they can punish their
> > > immigrant laborers for reporting them. Letting employers who employ
> > > undocumented immigrants off the hook creates perverse incentives, the
> > > effects of which ripple throughout our entire economy.
> > >
> > > There is nothing more American than immigration: people coming to this
> > > country because they want the opportunity to do better for themselves
> > > and their families; because they want to become Americans themselves.
> > > Hell, I wouldn't be here if it weren't for my Irish illegal immigrant
> > > great-great-grandfather, who stole the silverware from his master's
> > > house and hocked it to book passage to the United States. Because an
> > > American is something you can become, unlike a Frenchman or a Briton
> > > or a German, I'm an American today -- and I don't believe that now
> > > that I've got mine, we should lock down the borders.
> > >
> > > I don't believe the American dream -- the idea that success should be
> > > determined by ambition and hard work -- has failed entirely. But I do
> > > believe that there is nothing more antithetical to that ideal than
> > > allowing the rich to steal all the benefits of the poor's hard work.
> > > Nowhere is this more the case than amongst exploitative employers of
> > > immigrant labor.
> > >
> > > There's no contradiction there. All I want is for people -- Americans,
> > > foreigners, and foreigners who want to become Americans -- to reap the
> > > benefits of their own hard work.
> > >
> > > -- ACS
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