[Vision2020] Just Cleaning the Air

Wed Mar 29 22:10:20 PST 2006

This may be a done deal, Matt, but questions still abound. For instance, what are the businesses where NSA students spend this money? Do you know?

I've never met you but I assume that you're white and straight in addition to being male. So am I. It is a bit too easy for us to say "if Doug wants to be ignorant and write stupid books, well thats his right." How about, "Well if Doug wants to prevent you from adopting children or marrying the woman you love, that's his right?" Does this ring equally true? I doubt it. No one has the right to prevent the rights of others.

Doug has written a book suggesting that slavery was not so bad, something less than it seemed to be, and morally justified if handled in the right way. Can you imagine how these words might hit the ear of an African-American? He is part of a general movement sweeping the nation to take away what little human rights that gays and lesbians have, and to prevent them from obtaining rights you and I take for granted. He thinks that the superiority of men over women has a biblical basis. NSA and CC have quieted the voices of many critics by writing threatening letters to their places of employment.

Again, it is a bit easy for you and I to take but for the rest of the non-white-straight-male world it does not speak highly of their ability to get along with others in the community. That is the worry. We'll see how well they do.

--
Joe Campbell

---- Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote: 

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All,

Who cares whether NSA spends 2 mill or 2 hundred. By my estimation it could 
be over 2 mill. Maybe cause I can't save a penny to save my name. Each 
student spend 12 thousand in a year which could benefit Moscow businesses, 
cmon thats not that hard. The point is whatever they spend benefits 
business. Or is the point to kick them out of Moscow?

Look if Doug wants to be ignorant and write stupid books, well thats his 
right. This NSA issue is getting out of hand. I believe some of you not only 
want "them" out of the downtown area, but also out of Moscow. Furthermore, 
you wont stop until you have succeded.

The facts are NSA has mostly good and some bad people within its society, 
just like any other group. They Do contribute to Moscow fiscally wise. They 
do take away parking spots. Some do Lie. However, can we not all get along? 
If not please take it to another site.

My thought is that the CUP will be appealed, thus going to council. After 
some debate, council will split with Ament, Dickinson, and Stout voting 
against NSA and there request. Lambert, Weber and Pall will vote in favor, 
leaving a tie for our mayor. Daa da dan da, Mayor Cheney votes against and 
NSA has to move. But hey thats just my opinion.

The real test will be whether all of you will be willing to live with NSA 
living in Moscow, after they have to move. My vote is that we will still be 
talking about this topic.

Matt

>From: Joan Opyr <joanopyr at moscow.com>
>To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>CC: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just Cleaning the Air
>Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:53:57 -0800
>
>Why, thank you Tom.  FYI, I've just pasted your link to the Hieronymous  
>letter into my story on New West (www.newwest.net).  Readers can now  
>download Itty Bitty Bob's unsubstantiated (and, frankly, ridiculous)  
>claims about NSA's grand contributions to local business.  If they  spend a 
>dime outside of the Kirk's micro-economy, I'll eat my Apple  iBook.
>
>As for my having "hastily written" my response to last night's Board of  
>Adjustment decision to grant NSA a conditional use permit without any  
>conditions, I'll have Dale Courtney know that I spent a whole five  minutes 
>composing that piece: much, much longer than Dale spent ripping  it off to 
>pad his blog.  Honestly, what would Dale do without me?   Eavesdrop on 
>diners at the Co-Op?  Photocopy back issues of Mother  Jones?  As he never 
>asks permission to reprint what I write and he's  notoriously sloppy with 
>the credits, I think the least he should do is  send me a thank you note 
>and box of Mrs. See's dark chocolate bordeaux.   Unpoisoned, preferably.
>
>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>www.joanopyr.com
>
>On Mar 29, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>
>>Greetings Visionaires -
>>
>>In Comb-Over Courtney's Brainless Log (BLog) at:
>>
>>http://right-mind.us/blogs/moscoweducation/archive/2006/03/29/ 42611.aspx
>>
>>he states:
>>
>>"A Hasty Reply
>>
>>Joan Opyr Joan Opyr has hastily thrown together her reply to last  night's
>>Conditional Use Permit decision in favor of NSA.
>>
>>I need to disabuse Joan that a claim was made that NSA students spend  $2
>>million downtown. That was a rumor fabricated on Vision2020 (like so  many
>>other rumors around Moscow).
>>
>>The report substantiated that NSA is worth $2 million to Moscow; not  that
>>the students spend $2m downtown."
>>
>>I could simply write this off as ignorant, uninformed blather from the  
>>BLog
>>(something prevalent in virtually all of his postings), but then he  
>>attacked
>>a friend with a weapon he is all too familiar with; lies.
>>
>>I recommend, encourage, invite, direct your attention, . . . whatever  it
>>takes for the fine Moscow citizenry to read the letter signed by NSA's
>>Honorary Executive Vice President for Administration and Advancement  Bob
>>Hieronymus (and distributed to various businesses in Moscow) at:
>>
>>http://www.tomandrodna.com/NSA/hieronymus_letter.htm
>>
>>Your attention is particularly invited to the fourth and fifth  paragraphs
>>that read:
>>
>>"If the clock were turned back, and someone stood before the Board of
>>Adjustment proposing to invest more than a million dollars into a  vacant
>>downtown building, bring a hundred or more customers a day into  downtown 
>>32
>>weeks out of the year, take up fewer parking spaces than any previous
>>occupant of that building, create 17 new full-time jobs, CONTRIBUTE  OVER 
>>$2
>>MILLION ANNUALLY TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY [my emphasis], create new  
>>commercial
>>business space within the building, and provide a harmonious use  entirely
>>consistent with the Comprehensive Plan, we trust the board would have  
>>found
>>that such a use was beneficial to the community.
>>
>>It is five years later - that someone is New Saint Andrews College -  and
>>that is exactly what we have done."
>
>>However, Comb-Over, if you are struggling with your ability to read the
>>English language, perhaps you would like NSA President Roy Atwood to  read 
>>it
>>to you (as he did at the BOA meeting):
>>
>>http://www.tomandrodna.com/NSA/Atwood_Quote.mp3
>>
>>Just setting the record straight, C-O.
>>
>>Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>
>>Tom Hansen
>>Just Another Intolerista Liberal Elitista Diversity-Cleansing
>>Religion-Persecuting Wacko Nutjob Loose in the Palouse Doing What Comes
>>Natural
>>
>>
>>"If I wanted to overhear every tedious scrap of brain static rattling  
>>around
>>in your head, I'd read your blog."
>>
>>- Bill Maher
>
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