[Vision2020] Bush Seeks Line-Item Veto
James Reynolds
chapandmaize at hotmail.com
Wed Mar 8 08:08:55 PST 2006
I expect you are correct that Bush will misuse the power of a line item
veto. The Democrats will not be able to get anything through and he will use
it as a club to keep his own party in line with his agenda. His use of it
will have nothing to do keeping government spending down. He definitely
hasn't shown any fiscal restraint yet while adding 3.3 trillion dollars to
our accumulated debt and pushing it to where 13% (352 billion in 2005) of
our taxes now goes to interest payments. But after the 2008 election, when
we have a grownup who is concerned with proper government, it would be a
nice tool to use to stop congress from tacking last minute pork onto
necessary legislation/appropriations. Now that the entire government is
under the complete control of one party may be the only time a line item
veto could be implemented. It is also hard for me to envision Bush being
able to do any more damage with the line item than he has been doing without
it. He probably just understands that after 2006 he will be without his
private hold over the entire government and wants the line item to fight off
the grownups with.
James
>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "'James Reynolds'" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Bush Seeks Line-Item Veto
>Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 07:10:22 -0800
>
>And we should "trust" Bush to restrict his use of the line-item veto?
>
>I don't think so.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
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>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of James Reynolds
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>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bush Seeks Line-Item Veto
>
>The reason the line item veto was held to be unconstitutional when Clinton
>was using it is because it took appropriation control away from congress.
>The version the Bush Master is shooting for would not be unconstitutional
>because the President would only be able to pull out the individual items
>he
>
>did not like and send them back to congress for individual up or down
>votes.
>
>An example would be that Bush could have pulled out the Bridge to nowhere
>pork deal and sent it to congress where they would of had to deal with it
>in
>
>the open. of course it will be used as a political weapon by whatever
>President is in power but it probably wouldn't hurt to get these pork bills
>looked at by themselves in the open. It would probably actually slow down
>congresses current zeal to attach pork to major appropriations if they knew
>it might be reviewed in the open public air.
>
>James
>
>
> >From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bush Seeks Line-Item Veto
> >Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:35:42 -0800
> >
> >Actually, if the story I heard on NPR yesterday was correct, the line
>item
> >veto was passed by Congress during Clinton's presidency, and was around
> >until the Supreme Court held it unconstitutional.
> >
> >I did not remember this at all; it must be in the same part of my brain
>as
> >our reasons for being in Iraq.
> >
> >Bush says his version would be constitutional, though it will have no
> >advance warning that the New Orleans levees might breach during Katrina.
> >
> >Sunil
> >
> >
> >>From: "Tom Hansen" <idahotom at hotmail.com>
> >>To: pkraut at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bush Seeks Line-Item Veto
> >>Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:41:52 -0800
> >>
> >>To a minor degree you are correct, Ms. Kraut.
> >>
> >>In 1984, during the Reagan administration, the Republicans pursued and
> >>(after a couple years) realized line-item veto authority. This
>authority
> >>remained intact through the Bush (Sr.) administration and into the
>Clinton
>
> >>administration. In 1997 the Republicans attempted successfully to
> >>terminate line-item veto authority, claiming it to be unconstitutional.
> >>
> >>An now . . .
> >>
> >>Tom Hansen
> >>Moscow, Idaho
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> >>>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bush Seeks Line-Item Veto
> >>>Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:45:22 -0800
> >>>
> >>>I believe a check of several past administrations would show you that
>it
> >>>has
> >>>been asked for a long time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>If we do discover a complete theory..of everything...we shall all,
> >>>philosophers, scientists and just ordinary people,
> >>>be able to take part in the discussion of why it is that we and the
> >>>universe
> >>>exist if we find the answer to that,
> >>>it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason...for then we would
>know
> >>>the mind of God.
> >>>Stephen Hawking
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >>>To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:46 AM
> >>>Subject: [Vision2020] Bush Seeks Line-Item Veto
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>With a Republican House and a Republican Senate, President Bush is
> >>>seeking
> >>>line-item veto authority.
> >>>
> >>>"Bush has not vetoed any legislation during five years in office, but
>he
> >>>said the line-item veto would help 'reduce wasteful spending, reduce
>the
> >>>budget deficit and ensure that taxpayer dollars are spent wisely.'"
> >>>
> >>>This is the same president whose running mate stated in 2003 that the
> >>>Iraqi
> >>>War would not cost the American tax payer more than $8 billion.
> >>>
> >>>http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/06/bush.ap/index.html
> >>>
> >>>Let me remind you of what George Bush said at the end of the
>presidential
> >>>debate conducted on October 8, 2004:
> >>>
> >>>http://www.tomandrodna.com/Sounds/Bush_100804.wma
> >>>
> >>>Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >>>
> >>>Tom Hansen
> >>>Moscow, Idaho
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>--Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.
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