[Vision2020] Wal-Mart: Replies to Donovan and Crabtree

[Joan Opyr]

On 5 Mar 2006, at 07:12, joekc at adelphia.net wrote:

> Boy, Crabtree, I guess you showed me! I thought that you insulted me 
> before but now I know what insults are really like.
>
> As I look through your post, forgetting about the parts that might 
> bother a sensitive guy like myself, I do find one point that I have 
> not addressed previously. You write:
>
> "... I asked for hard evidence of your assertion of human rights 
> violations by showing me convictions in a court of law."
>
> Thus, your point is that if there are no convictions in a court of 
> law, then there are no human rights violations. Is that it? Since 
> China doesn't recognize human rights, they cannot be guilty of human 
> rights violations, for instance.
>
> I like it when I just have to point out an argument and I don't need 
> to go through the trouble of saying why it is so bad.
>
> Best,
> Joe Campbell

Hi Joe,

If memory serves, isn't the mere possibility of "convictions in a court 
of law" the reason that we're detaining hundreds of "unlawful 
combatants" extra-judicially at Camp X-Ray in Guantanamo Bay?  I mean 
our own convictions, of course, for torture and prisoner abuse.  If we 
don't charge these detainees; if they don't have access to an attorney, 
to the American judicial system, to reporters, to the Red Crescent, the 
Red Cross, Amnesty International, or anyone outside of the U. S. 
Military, then how we can claim with Crabtreevian certainty that 
they're suffering abuse as prisoners of war in violation of the Geneva 
Conventions?  My goodness, why do you demand a reasonable standard of 
proof?  What are ya, a liberal 'er something?

I'm picturing Gary right now, sitting on a jury at Nuremburg, saying, 
"Where's the evidence?"

Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
www.joanopyr.com