[Vision2020] answering g. crabtree

[Carl Westberg]

Hey, as long as we're talking baseball.....how about those Oregon State 
Beavers?  Didn't they get the word that a team from our rainy Pacific 
Northwest isn't supposed to win the College World Series?    Carl Westberg 
Jr.


>From: Deacon James <deaconjames at verizon.net>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] answering g. crabtree
>Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:16:35 -0500 (CDT)
>
>No way, Joe! That is so cool. When was this (if you don't mind revealing 
>TOO much about your age)?
>
>They say that Satchel Paige used to put a post behind homeplate and hammer 
>a nail into it, just enough to get it to stick. Then he would go to the 
>pitching mound with (I think) 6 balls. He would then proceed to "hammer" 
>the nails in with his fastball. Often he wouldn't even need the last ball.
>
>Take care,
>
>Deacon
>
>
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>From: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>
>Date: Tue Jun 27 12:37:26 CDT 2006
>To: Deacon James <deaconjames at verizon.net>
>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] answering g. crabtree
>
>I actually saw Satchel Paige pitch at Yankee Stadium once. Damn, I'm old!
>
>--
>Joe Campbell
>
>---- Deacon James <deaconjames at verizon.net> wrote:
>
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>Tom Hansen,
>
>I don't think I made myself very clear. By saying that we will never really 
>know how well they would have compared, I meant it the opposite of how you 
>took it.
>
>Take Satchel Paige, for example. Over 6 years, he pitched 476 innings. He 
>struck out 288 and had a 3.29 ERA. However, he began pitching in the newly 
>integrated majors at about 41 years old. We have no idea just how good he 
>was (relative to Bob Feller, Warren Spahn, Early Wynn, et al.) in his 
>prime, but we do know that he pitched 3 scoreless innings -- allowing only 
>one hit -- at the age of 58. 58! I would love to know what he could have 
>done at 27.
>
>I don't know about you, Tom Hansen, but I feel cheated, all because of the 
>stupid and dispicable idea of racism.
>
>Take care,
>
>D
>
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>From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>Date: Tue Jun 27 07:52:03 CDT 2006
>To: 'Deacon James' <deaconjames at verizon.net>, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] answering g. crabtree
>
>Deacon James stated:
>
>" . . . we will never know just how well the Negro Leaguers would have
>compared. The level of competition, the quality and measurements of the
>fields, poor/non-existant/inconsistent scoring, and more all contributed to
>the poor collection of Negro League statistics that we have."
>
>You are correct that the quality of venues in which the Negro Leaguers
>played was far inferior to those of their white counterparts.  However, you
>are far from accurate when you stated, " . . . we will never know just how
>well the Negro Leaguers would have compared."  There were several that made
>the move from the negro leagues to the white majors.  How about Josh 
>Gibson,
>Ernie Banks, Roy Campanella, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and
>Satchel Paige to name just a few, all of whom are enshrined in Cooperstown
>(the white baseball hall of fame), but not all are enshrined in Atlanta 
>(the
>negro baseball hall of fame).
>
>I don't know about you, DJ, but I have a pretty good idea how they fared in
>white baseball.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>"Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Deathdoesn't seem too extreme for a Level-3
>sex offender."
>
>- Dale "Comb-Over" Courtney(August 3, 2005)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of Deacon James
>Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 10:55 PM
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] answering g. crabtree
>
>Tom Hansen,
>
>The A's have been playing uncharacteristically well for this time of year;
>normally they don't start going on a tear until a week or two after the
>All-Star Break. My guess is that they will taper off a month early as well.
>They have clearly been overacheiving. But, hey, even if they do make the
>playoffs, they'll just get beat in the first round, so that's of some
>comfort to this M's fan.
>
>Oscar Charleston was certainly an incredible baseball player, beloved of
>both fans and players. I have no doubt that he would have put up incredible
>numbers in the majors, but, regretably, we will never know just how well 
>the
>Negro Leaguers would have compared. The level of competition, the quality
>and measurements of the fields, poor/non-existant/inconsistent scoring, and
>more all contributed to the poor collection of Negro League statistics that
>we have.
>
>That said, I would still say that Charleston is one of the top ten -- maybe
>top five -- greatest players in the history of the game. And heck, I don't
>even know if he was Protestant...
>
>Take care,
>
>D
>
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