[Vision2020] (Formally known as:Photos Tell All) Now changing thread topic to:"Now for something entirely different to make Michael happy and stick to the unpublished norms!"

[Joe Campbell]

I am pretty confident that Michael is not infultrating Vision 2020, Doug. Other than in a purely Christian way, of course.

One question. Why do Two Wrongs Make a Right? (I put it in caps since I use this as a name of a fallacy in my logic class.)

You write that "Blind 2020" is "similar to a septic system in that one needs to 'airate the sludge from time to time in order for the good bactiria to break down the crap and turn it back into clean water and fertilizer'." How is it OK to say this yet not OK to refer to folks from NSA as "Androids"?

I'm just askin'!

--
Joe Campbell

---- heirdoug at netscape.net wrote: 

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Mike,

Does this help? I would like to change topics, sort of. You made a 
statement below that I thought was curious. You said, "As one kirker 
explained, Vision 2020 is a slew of shit and I was an idiot for even 
talking to the people who post to it."

I was wondering if you were re-phrasing what I had privatelly talked to 
you over the phone last year when I was trying to get your perspective 
on all of this. I think the conversation was about Jackie Wolfe. I had 
mentioned that maybe you should go easy on here because of her frail 
condition. You said you were just trying to understand all of the 
players.

You also mentioned that the mission you were on to infiltrate the 
"intolerista" web zone would soon come to fruition or something like 
that. That's when I mentioned that Blind 2020 was similar to a septic 
system in that one needs to "airate the sludge from time to time in 
order for the good bactiria to break down the crap and turn it back 
into clean water and fertilizer." I think those were my exact words.

If I got any thing wrong or you wish to discuss this as an apologetic 
discussion about fertilizer and the gospel (sort of along the lines of 
death, burial and resurection.) Would that fit the mentality and 
spiritual condition of "the typical evangelical Christian" as you 
called them.

lemeno, Doug!

PS. I didn't see Keely wearing a Trinity fest badge when we cordially 
met that night.



Rob,
For a little background: You directed your insults my direction not long
ago, but in more direct fashion. You and I were friends. I had you over 
to
my house for dinner. I employed you and we worked together a bit. We
talked about business, your life aspirations, your current work, your
history. I offered you nothing but kindness and hospitality. Then one 
day I
started a web site and I was criticizing your pastor's slander of 
another
minister-continuing an already public discussion. You jumped on without 
any
notice or private communication and began mocking me, ridiculing sincere
comments, and intentionally breaking the very rules I laid out for 
posting
to my private web site. This response here is the first time you have
treated me like a human being, and you have not initiated any private
correspondence with me throughout all this. Not only is this not 
Christian
behavior, this is not sociological normal within stable civilizations
generally speaking; i.e., the 'pagans' usually do far better than this.
It is not hard to see the Kirk edge here either, albeit in more subtle,
creative form. This is a community, public, forum; this is not a three 
way
call between three junior-high jocks. When posting, folks make sure the
content of the post is coherent-which is politeness to any reader 
trying to
figure out if there is something generally of interest to read. When
posting, folks also insure that the content of the post matches Subject
title for convenience to the general readership. Folks are also polite
enough to choose a different subject title when they decide to post on
something entirely different than the current topic of discussion. You 
and
your associates know all of this, which is why you are posting the way 
you
do, intentionally breaking all of these norms. You do so not to 
illustrate
a productive point or to encourage anyone to truth or good deeds; 
rather,
you do so to vandalize a forum that you consider a threat and a 
nuisance.
As one kirker explained, Vision 2020 is a slew of shit and I was an 
idiot
for even talking to the people who post to it. Wilson has sought to get 
it
exterminated, and refers to this forum as "moonbats" and "Purblind." 
Most
kirkers will at least call it Venom2020. I can't speak for others, but I
know that I would prefer profanity and name calling to someone 
high-jacking
the threads that I tried to generate, particularly when I know it is 
because
they have no respect for me and do not like what I am talking about. 
None of
you even experiment in offering kindness or understanding to your 
opponents,
nor do you give simple rational discourse a chance. I was of course
referring all of the kirkers engaging in this new practice.
If you think that the arguments Tom and J Ford have presented regarding 
the
pictures are unsound, feel free to point this out in a way that gives 
other
people a reason to read your posting under the thread generated by these
arguments. And again, I'm sad to see you spend your time on this list in
such a way when there is currently an apologetic discussion about 
submission
and the gospel going on. That would typically be far more interesting 
to the
typical evangelical Christian.
I hope that helps explain. Let me know if you have any further 
questions.
Michael





Mike

Who did I insult?

Jackie provided a link to the Trinity Fest pictures on the Trinity Fest
web-page . . .they are fun pictures, and not very controversial.

Rob



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