[Vision2020] Joan Opyr: Lying hypocrite,
or simply blind and schizophrenic?
Taro Tanaka
taro_tanaka at hotmail.com
Thu Jun 15 14:30:59 PDT 2006
Keely, stop distorting the facts and putting words in my mouth.
Speaking for those I know best, for the record, NEITHER Camille Saint-Saens
NOR Taro Tanaka/Sushitushi EVER suggested that Joan Opyr would have been
more approving of either Sitler or Wight had they been sexually abusing with
only boys. As for what Rev. Wilson and Dale Courtney have actually said, go
back and re-check for yourselves . . . although I do not recall having seen
either man suggest that Joan would have approved if Sitler/Wight were
abusing only little boys.
What Camille Saint-Saens/Taro Tanaka/Sushitushi HAVE been saying is
essentially two things:
1) It is highly hypocritical for a homosexual to be a vocal, brash critic of
Doug Wilson's handling of isolated incidents involving pedophilia, which he
hates, while at the same time remaining silent about the much larger
systemic problem in the GLBTQ community of pederasty, which the community at
large has embraced and in fact held up as part of an ideal (i.e., the ideal
of tolerance for pederasty in ancient Greece).
2) It is incongruous to be simultaneously anti-pederasty and pro-gay.
Furthermore, it should be obvious that the recommended course of action to
resolve the incongruity is to abandon the pro-gay position. NOT to abandon
the anti-pederasty position.
Now it is true that "Camille Saint-Saens" was writing, tongue in cheek, as
if he was a repesentative member of the GLBTQ community (which, in a certain
sense, his is) and therefore he called upon Opyr to recognize the legitimacy
of pederasty. However, to anyone with even a smattering of higher cognitive
functionality, it should be obvious that the true aim of the person posting
as "Camille Saint-Saens" is neither to suggest that Opyr DOES nor that she
SHOULD favor same-sex child molestation. The writer's aim is to expose her
inconsistency and hypocrisy.
On the other hand, I, Sushitushi/Taro Tanaka, have been straightforward and
said to Joan that her being against pedophilia is all good and well, but
that she should be CONSISTENT and part ways with the homosexual death
culture that has largely embraced, and is largely built upon, pederasty.
-- Princess Sushitushi
"keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>You deride Joan Opyr for two errors in her story, which she corrected
>immediately and publicly. You then accuse her of a double standard, and
>Doug Wilson believes, evidently, that she would have been much more
>tolerant of Steven Sitler's crimes against children had the children all
>been male -- as if Joan were as incapable as you of differentiating between
>pedophilia and homosexuality.
>
>Joan is a lesbian. She is, by default, a "member" of the larger GLBT
>community only insofar as the common identifier of sexual preference and
>identity. She doesn't have them over, en masse, for coffee; she doesn't
>have them all in her Rolodex; she doesn't regularly network with the gay
>man in Lima, Peru, and the transgendered woman in Helsinki. And she sure
>as hell doesn't promote, condone, or participate in the criminal practice
>of pedophilia and, as a mother and a decent human being, would be among the
>loudest voices in the room objecting to it. I pity the bastard who crows
>about his adventures with kids in front of her, and I pity the buffoons who
>who surround her, mocking her and judging her for the sins of people she
>doesn't know and wouldn't associate with.
>
>You assume that she would be a bit more forgiving of Steven Sitler had his
>victims all been, like him, men. Perhaps then, in your twisted minds, you
>could change the camera lens off of him, off of his pedophilia, off of your
>pastor, and off of yourselves and your sick, pathetic, impotent worldview.
>You seem to be comfortable with the definition of Sitler's crimes as a
>violation of the 7th commandment, you preeningly declare that a
>predilection for young boys and young boys only would win him a measure of
>mercy from Joan, and you cry "filth and decadence" from the swamp in which
>you swim. Why not just as effectively, just as logically, point out that
>Sitler undoubtedly violated fathers' house rules by -- I don't know, maybe
>keeping toddlers and preschoolers up past their bedtime? Are you unable to
>simply sit still for even a moment and contemplate the horror of a
>Christian college student and dedicated member of a church engaging in
>genital contact with little children? Do you really see this and still,
>unbelievably, believe that the public point you want to make is that your
>"pastor" is being persecuted? And, significant only to you, by an adult
>homosexual woman? This is the web you weave from the filthy strands of
>this situation?
>keely
>
>From: "Taro Tanaka" <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr: Lying hypocrite,or simply blind and
>schizophrenic?
>Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:22:35 +0000
>
>It comes as no surprise to me, but, just as Dale Courtney predicted, "free
>speech advocate" Joan Opyr did indeed give Camille Saint-Saëns the boot
>over at New Worst magazine. (The first post is still there as of this
>writing, but the follow-up post, which is recapped below, is gone.)
>Resorting to such brute-force tactics when you haven't got an answer is par
>for the course with the far left's intoleristas. The gist of the deleted
>post -- all irrefutable points -- is as follows:
>
>1) By asserting that 95% of pedophiles identify as heterosexual, Joan
>freely admits that homosexuals are just as guilty of pedophilia as
>heterosexuals are, since those rates roughly correspond to the ratio of
>heterosexual and homosexual identification in society at large.
>
>2) The big difference is that GLBTQ advocacy groups embrace "their" pedos
>as heroes and martyrs. This is readily confirmable by searching through the
>online literature.
>
>3) In 2000 a novel that is in part an extended apologia for pederasty (not
>to mention sex between teachers and students), written by an author who
>deals with cross-generational gay sex as a predominant theme in his
>writing, was recipient of a major award given to gay fiction authors.
>
>4) If they mention it (which is frequently), homosexuals have virtually
>universal praise for the ancient Greeks' tolerance for man-boy love. This
>point is common knowledge.
>
>5) No doubt what really set Joan off was the barely veiled charge of
>hypocrisy -- that she has one set of standards for Doug Wilson and Christ
>Church, and another set of standards for herself; one set of words for the
>conservatives of Idaho and another set of words for the queers of
>Christopher St. and Castro. But if she is suddenly such a crusader for
>protecting the community from pedophiles, where are all her writings urging
>the GLBTQ community to clean up their act? Why is she so eager to get
>somebody else's house in order when her own house has its own ceiling-high
>pile of dirty dishes in the sink? "Piled with pride!" Why is she so eager
>to take the splinter out of Christ Church's eye when there is a log in the
>eye of the GLBTQ community on this matter? The fact is, Christ Church
>vehemently rejects all such sin, refuses to tolerate it, and there really
>is no reason to expect that such problems will continue to systemically
>plague Christ Church and its affiliated ministries in the future. However,
>there is every reason to believe that pedophilia will continue to be, as it
>has always been, a major problem for the GLTBQ community. The fact of the
>matter is, if the GLTBQ community would deal as vigorously with its
>pedophilia problem as Opyr and her intolerista allies have been dealing
>with Christ Church, the GLTBQ community as we know it would cease to exist.
>And that is precisely why homosexuals like Opyr will never confront the
>problem at all.
>
>Joan would like to dismiss all this as "spin" and pure fabrication, but the
>evidence is incontrovertible. That is why she simply pulled Camille
>Saint-Saëns' post. By golly she'll be the Truth Detector of Moscow's far
>left even if she has to use deceit to do so.
>
>Don't take my word for it. Go do a Google search on "pederasty in ancient
>Greece." I get 331 hits for that phrase. Go look at a few and tell me how
>many pro-homosexual websites have anything critical whatsoever to say about
>pederasty in ancient Greece. Perhaps the relativist in you wants to retort,
>"But that was then and this is now. A lot of olive oil has gone under the
>bridge since then. Approval of pederasty in that culture does not
>necessarily imply approval of pedophilia in our culture."
>
>Oh, it doesn't, does it? Well let's check the links themselves. Click on
>the very first link that comes up. That is from truthtree.com, a website
>that has won awards from gay rights advocacy organizations. You can see
>their proud display of their GLBTQ seals of approval here:
>http://www.truthtree.com/gay.shtml
>
>Anyway, the most popular link on the Internet, according to Google, for the
>phrase "pederasty in ancient Greece," is this truthtree.com's "Education
>and Pederasty in Ancient Greece"
>(http://www.truthtree.com/pederasty.shtml). Here is a direct quote from the
>final paragraph of the above essay, where it makes a direct application of
>the ancient Greek paradigm to modern society. Note bene:
>
>"All of [the above essay] provides evidence that in modern society,
>intergenerational relationships per se do not necessarily harm a boy: the
>taboos themselves and the resulting investigations and questioning by his
>parents and doctors and lawyers, both prosecuting and defense, and
>psychologists and social workers do the harm. If a pubescent 'victim'
>received honor, prestige and encomia instead of shame, embarrassment and
>guilt for what his culture forbids, then fewer resultant psychoses would
>pester him in his later life, as so often happens now."
>
>In other words, if modern society would only get over its Christian
>hangover prohibitions against homosexuality, then pederasty would be just
>fine and dandy! Not pederasty involving children two years of age,
>obviously. But if the child is a willing participant; i.e., if the child
>derives pleasure from it -- and certainly if the child is consenting after
>the onset of puberty -- then pederasty is indeed a wonderful thing. That is
>the clear stance set forth by the most popular link on the Internet for the
>subject of "pederasty in ancient Greece" (out of 331 hits) and it comes
>with the GLBTQ stamp of approval. Now that particular stance may not be the
>offical party line at every GLBTQ website on the internet, but it isn't far
>off for all the ones that I have checked, and I have checked many. GLBTQ
>websites critical of ancient Greek pederasty are far and few between, if
>they exist at all. GLBTQ websites that touch on the subject and don't draw
>an abject lesson for modern society a la truthtree.com's essay are likewise
>rare, if they exist at all.
>
>The fact of the matter is, given the typical, pervasive modern GLBTQ stance
>on pedophilia, you can't both be anti-pederasty and pro-gay. That would
>involve a contradiction. Adopting the anti-pederasty position kicks the
>legs out from modern homosexuality's ideological underpinnings.
>
>Or at least it kicks out the legs out from modern MALE homosexuality's
>ideological underpinnings. Because there is a very curious thing -- if you
>do a Google search on "lesbianism in ancient Greece," you will see that
>Google returns exactly TWO results, and furthermore, that neither of them
>has any substantive content whatsoever. In other words, "lesbianism in
>ancient Greece" wasn't. Why is that? Well, if you know your history, and
>you probably don't -- sorry, but it's true -- you will know that ancient
>Greece was a very highly oppressive society. The majority of the people
>were slaves (only a small minority of men could exercise the rights of
>citizenship) and women there were anything but liberated. While the men
>were busy buggering the boys, the women were busy bearing baby boys for the
>next round of buggery. Women's liberation had to await the advent of
>Christianity, which, ironically, finally made it possible for women to
>enjoy homosexuality on a scale comparable to that of men.
>
>Despite the many ugly features of ancient Greece, one of the reasons so
>many are loathe to criticize those failures is because it has one major
>"plus" going for it: it isn't Christian. For that one redeeming quality,
>any number of defects can be forgiven. The modern anti-Christian mind,
>especially the modern homosexual anti-Christian mind, is so hostile to
>God's law-word that it will gladly reject the one great stream of Western
>civilization -- the Christian faith -- and embrace the only alternate
>stream that Western civ. has, ancient Greece. And the modern mind hostile
>to God will embrace that even if the embrace is the embrace of death. For
>ancient Greece IS dead, but Christianity yet lives.
>
>Those are the two choices we face: the culture of life reborn in Christ, or
>the culture of death outside of Him. The handling of the Sitler and Wight
>scandals provides us with a good opportunity to reaffirm this crucial
>point. But the fact remains that Joan Opyr is a hypocrite and twisting the
>truth when she bashes Doug Wilson's house on the subject of pedophiiia
>while simultaneously turning a blind eye to the far greater problems in her
>own household. I suppose we could be exceedingly charitable and say Joan
>has a serious case of intellectual schizophrenia. But if we do so, it is
>incumbent upon Joan to think through the implications of her position.
>Being against pedophilia is all good and well; now go the whole nine yards
>and repent of the sin of homesexuality and its empty, utterly worthless
>ideological underpinnings in favor of forgiveness and healing in Jesus
>Christ.
>
>-- Princess Sushitushi
>
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