[Vision2020] The age of consent

Thu Jun 15 08:30:45 PDT 2006

Joe,

Thank you for your light hearted response to this.

Michael

Your lack of reasoning is matched only by your arrogance, Princess! And you
are really cute when you get mad!

--

Joe Campbell

---- Taro Tanaka <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com> wrote: 

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Joe Campbell, who apparently still hasn't had his morning coffee, wrote:

>What if the daughter IS too young to consent to sex or marriage, Princess?

Then "sex or marriage" does not take place -- Doh!

>Firstly, what if the daughter lacks certain cognitive powers, like the 

>ability to partake in means-to-ends reasoning, because she is too young?

Then "sex or marriage" does not take place -- Doh!

>Clearly, consenting to a request is something more than merely acting 

>in accordance with that request. Otherwise, dogs would consent to a 

>great many actions.

Wow. That's profound. By any chance are you a philospher?

>Secondly, the whole time you make it seem as if the issue is a moral 

>one when in fact it is really a set of issues in the philosophy of law 

>that matter.

Ahh.

>When is society allowed to restrict the actions of others, and for what 

>reasons? Is society ever required to restrict certain actions, and 

>under what conditions?

When to do so would be in accord with God's will as revealed in the Bible,
for God's reasons. Yes, when to do so would be in accord with God's will as
revealed in the Bible.

>In answer to the second question, I say that society can restrict 

>behavior in cases of clear harms to clear persons for the purpose of 

>protecting members of the society from harm.

The other day you said your conscious is clear. Are you a clear harm or a
clear person?

>If the issue were a moral issue, then an appeal to the Bible would be 

>worth considering. After all, it has an undeniable role in the history 

>of Western ethics.

Mighty nice of you to say so.

>Another thing is that, as you and I both believe, it is The Truth. This 

>is part of the reason why both of us govern our behavior with respect 

>to this Text.

Well, The Truth is the Second Person of the Trinity, seated at the right
hand of the Father. He has nail holes in His wrists. And yes, He did give us
a Text. Just so we're clear.

>All is fine so long as we limit our own behavior. But it is unclear how 

>you can justify the actions of some other person merely by appeal to 

>your interpretation of the Text. Why would that reason matter to 

>someone who has some other religious text or to someone who has no text 

>at all? Why would it matter to someone who has a different interpretation
of the Text?

Jesus said, "Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I
in the midst of them, hoping against hope that somehow they would be able to
agree about something -- anything -- so that I can sleep a little easier at
night. But no, it's just total confusion and chaos about the meaning of
every little thing. Where's the Holy Spirit when you need him?"

>Lastly, to even suggest, in the current social climate, that young 

>girls have the power to consent to either sex or marriage is irresponsible,
IMHO.

Wel thenl, when somebody comes to ask for your young daughter's hand in
marriage, just say "No." If somebody comes you and asks for your daughter's
hand in sex -- regardless of her age -- just say "No."

I mean, let's get serious here. Are you people even reading? Or are you just
really, really dense and unable to comprehend? Or is my English ability so
atrocious that I can't even communicate simple ideas in a short email? First
Tom, now Joe. Who else is going to totally misread what I wrote? I guess
we'll find out . . .

-- Princess Sushitushi

>---- Taro Tanaka <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 

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>"Consent" is consent to marriage, not to sex outside of marriage. In a 

>Christian society, we should not need to set a particular minimum age 

>for allowing people to marry, because at least one set of parents 

>always has a say in the matter: the parents of the daughter. Not only 

>that, but the daughter also has a say in the matter. The parents can 

>veto the marriage, but they cannot force their daughter to marry 

>someone that she does not want to marry. So, if the daughter thinks 

>she's too young, or that the guy isn't Mr. Right, she can say no. Ditto 

>for the girl's father. Because people know themselves and their 

>children, and love one another, and are not insane, they know when it 

>is a good time to get married. The pastor performing the marriage also 

>has considerable say, in that no pastor worth his salt will perform a 

>marriage without premarital counseling. So, in a Christian society 

>governed by biblical laws, we could eliminate the minimum age laws 

>regarding marriage and the resulting problems would be nil.

> 

>And just in case it is not clear, biblically speaking there is no "age 

>of consent" to sex outside marriage. It doesn' matter if both parties 

>are 35 and financially independent. Sex outside marriage is verboten. 

>If you want to get laid, get hitched.

> 

>Clear enough?

> 

>-- Princess Sushitushi

> 

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