[Vision2020] The age of consent

[Joe Campbell]

Your lack of reasoning is matched only by your arrogance, Princess! And you are really cute when you get mad!

--
Joe Campbell

---- Taro Tanaka <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com> wrote: 

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Joe Campbell, who apparently still hasn't had his morning coffee, wrote:

>What if the daughter IS too young to consent to sex or marriage, Princess?

Then "sex or marriage" does not take place -- Doh!

>Firstly, what if the daughter lacks certain cognitive powers, like the 
>ability to partake in means-to-ends reasoning, because she is too young?

Then "sex or marriage" does not take place -- Doh!

>Clearly, consenting to a request is something more than merely acting in 
>accordance with that request. Otherwise, dogs would consent to a great many 
>actions.

Wow. That's profound. By any chance are you a philospher?

>Secondly, the whole time you make it seem as if the issue is a moral one 
>when in fact it is really a set of issues in the philosophy of law that 
>matter.

Ahh.

>When is society allowed to restrict the actions of others, and for what 
>reasons? Is society ever required to restrict certain actions, and under 
>what conditions?

When to do so would be in accord with God's will as revealed in the Bible, 
for God's reasons. Yes, when to do so would be in accord with God's will as 
revealed in the Bible.

>In answer to the second question, I say that society can restrict behavior 
>in cases of clear harms to clear persons for the purpose of protecting 
>members of the society from harm.

The other day you said your conscious is clear. Are you a clear harm or a 
clear person?

>If the issue were a moral issue, then an appeal to the Bible would be worth 
>considering. After all, it has an undeniable role in the history of Western 
>ethics.

Mighty nice of you to say so.

>Another thing is that, as you and I both believe, it is The Truth. This is 
>part of the reason why both of us govern our behavior with respect to this 
>Text.

Well, The Truth is the Second Person of the Trinity, seated at the right 
hand of the Father. He has nail holes in His wrists. And yes, He did give us 
a Text. Just so we're clear.

>All is fine so long as we limit our own behavior. But it is unclear how you 
>can justify the actions of some other person merely by appeal to your 
>interpretation of the Text. Why would that reason matter to someone who has 
>some other religious text or to someone who has no text at all? Why would 
>it matter to someone who has a different interpretation of the Text?

Jesus said, "Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I 
in the midst of them, hoping against hope that somehow they would be able to 
agree about something -- anything -- so that I can sleep a little easier at 
night. But no, it's just total confusion and chaos about the meaning of 
every little thing. Where's the Holy Spirit when you need him?"

>Lastly, to even suggest, in the current social climate, that young girls 
>have the power to consent to either sex or marriage is irresponsible, IMHO.

Wel thenl, when somebody comes to ask for your young daughter's hand in 
marriage, just say "No." If somebody comes you and asks for your daughter's 
hand in sex -- regardless of her age -- just say "No."

I mean, let's get serious here. Are you people even reading? Or are you just 
really, really dense and unable to comprehend? Or is my English ability so 
atrocious that I can't even communicate simple ideas in a short email? First 
Tom, now Joe. Who else is going to totally misread what I wrote? I guess 
we'll find out . . .

-- Princess Sushitushi

>---- Taro Tanaka <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
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>"Consent" is consent to marriage, not to sex outside of marriage. In a
>Christian society, we should not need to set a particular minimum age for
>allowing people to marry, because at least one set of parents always has a
>say in the matter: the parents of the daughter. Not only that, but the
>daughter also has a say in the matter. The parents can veto the marriage,
>but they cannot force their daughter to marry someone that she does not 
>want
>to marry. So, if the daughter thinks she's too young, or that the guy isn't
>Mr. Right, she can say no. Ditto for the girl's father. Because people know
>themselves and their children, and love one another, and are not insane,
>they know when it is a good time to get married. The pastor performing the
>marriage also has considerable say, in that no pastor worth his salt will
>perform a marriage without premarital counseling. So, in a Christian 
>society
>governed by biblical laws, we could eliminate the minimum age laws 
>regarding
>marriage and the resulting problems would be nil.
>
>And just in case it is not clear, biblically speaking there is no "age of
>consent" to sex outside marriage. It doesn' matter if both parties are 35
>and financially independent. Sex outside marriage is verboten. If you want
>to get laid, get hitched.
>
>Clear enough?
>
>-- Princess Sushitushi
>

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