[Vision2020] Cult Fantasy News Flash

[Bill London]

Heather:
First, many thanks for posting to V2020 (really).  The Christ Church women
have been often discussed on V2020, and I am glad you are speaking directly
to us now...... which brings me to my second point: I am trying to
understand the "wife submits to husband" thing.
Can you explain that to me?  Does that assume husbands never make a mistake?
Does that mean you are explicitly telling your daughters that they are
inferior (in skill, talent, judgement, etc)?
BL




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Heather Linn" <heatherlinn at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:38 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Cult Fantasy News Flash


> First, I'd like to thank Keely for joining us for coffee. I'm glad to hear
> that she enjoyed herself
> as did we. However, I'd like to point out that there seems to be an
> alternative she's missed or at least is unable to consider. Perhaps not
all
> information out there in V2020 land and the blog world
> concerning our church, our pastor, and our husbands is true. Perhaps we,
> women whom Keely views as "reasonable, intelligent and sincere in their
> faith", have a better grasp on our own situations and lives than those who
> don't know us. We aren't merely "willing to endure" our husbands and our
> theology  but rather enjoy (love) them both. Why would "intelligent" women
> love living with domineering patriarchal peacocks? Maybe we're not
actually
> intelligent. Maybe we don't really love them. Or, the option you haven't
> been willing to consider, maybe they aren't domineering at all. Longshot,
I
> know. But it is possible.
>
> We don't "grieve, or are at least puzzled by, [your] Biblical feminism,
> outspokenness against Doug
> Wilson, and [your] sharp theological disagreements with Christ Church."
I've
> been curious how you've drawn your conclusions but unlike what has been
> asserted, we don't all mind when people
> disagree. In fact, it can make community life a lot more interesting and
> fun.
>
> Hope we still seem intelligent when you realize that we are on the same
page
> as our husbands. We didn't mary stupid boys out of pity. We like them.
> Mine's even funny.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Heather Wilson
>
>
> >keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
> >Tue Jun 13 13:25:27 PDT 2006
> >Previous message: [Vision2020] Cult Fantasy News Flash
>
>
> >I appreciate Douglas Hunter's wise comments below, as well as Joe's point
> >that we consider Doug Wilson separately from those unfortunate enough to
be
> >shepherded by him.
>
> >I had coffee yesterday with five warm, intelligent, delightful women from
> >Christ Church.  They have every reason to presume that I am as bad and
mean
> >as some have depicted me, and yet they've decided to do what mature women
> >do -- spend some time with me and find out for themselves.  And I am
> >grateful for the invitation extended, the warmth expressed, and the trust
> >presumed; I
> hope I reciprocated with the same warmth and trust.  I have absolutely
> >nothing against them and would welcome a friendship with any of them -- 
as
> >much as I grieve the bad theology they've embraced, or are willing to
> >endure,  and the hyper-patriarchal and hierarchical worldview it produces
> >that, I'm convinced, is as bad for men as it is for women.
>
> >But I would imagine they grieve, or are at least puzzled by, my Biblical
> >feminism, outspokenness against Doug Wilson, and my sharp theological
> >disagreements with Christ Church.  That's fair.  In fact, that's great.
I
> >only hope that we can discuss it more.  I have no doubt at all that it
> >would be a loving, reasonable, intelligent and stimulating discussion,
> >because these women, like most of the folks at Christ Church, are
> >reasonable, intelligent and sincere in their faith.  For every unloving
> >Kirk man, many of whom we're all acquainted with here, I know there are
> >several more, men and women, who love Christ and are willing to love me
in
> >His name.   I feel he same way.
>
> >That doesn't negate my concern and anger about what I know of Wilson's
> >world and worldview.  In fact, it heightens it.  I love a good roll in
the
> >theological hay of debate, but what's of real consequence is that real
> >people -- good people -- get hurt by bad theology and worse conduct.
> >Conscience compels me, then, to defend them and to defend the Gospel -- 
to
> >offer, with gentleness and respect, a reason for the hope that lies
within
> >me; further paraphrasing 1 Peter 3:15, I might add that I hope to offer a
> >reason for the anger and concern that lies within me regarding the Kirk,
> >and I hope that I've done it with gentleness and respect to the sincere
and
> >offered clear, truth-building rebuke when needed.
>
> >And so, I'd like to publicly thank my friend Heather Wilson and her
> >sister-in-law, Meredith Wilson, for a delightful morning yesterday.
(And
> >it wasn't just the delicious coffee cake and great coffee, either!)
>
> >keely
>
>
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