[Vision2020] A "Peace" of Grass---featuring a GI in Iraq
rvrcowboy
rvrcowboy at clearwire.net
Thu Jun 1 14:44:39 PDT 2006
As I stated before, you do bring a respectable view to the debate.
I remember the time Tom called me out in this forum, (probably jokingly). I
did not go into a rant over it but basically just ignored it. To this day
Tom enjoys chiding me by misusing my name just because he knows it irritates
me. How does he know? I politely asked him not too, that's how. Did he
care? Obviously not, since he continues it to this day. He may be a great
guy but I personally don't care much for people like him. He can dish it
out but he cries when someone dishes it back to him.
He has shown me no respect what-so-ever but expects me to respect him. Not
going to happen.
Tom has apologized for getting in a fluff over my asking him a simple
question and I accept that. This affair should just be allowed to die of
its own lack of concern, if everyone will just allow it.
Dick S.
Dick S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A "Peace" of Grass---featuring a GI in Iraq
> Dick:
>
> I'm gonna be honest with you here, bud. I know Tom personally, have
worked
> with him at the UI over the past 10 years (off/on), have swapped stories
> about our military experiences with him and love both him and his lovely
> wife.
>
> He is not a man to brag or to boast of his duties much less his injury,
> which was significant and a hindrance to him to this day, physically. He
> does not wallow in it but rather fights hard for Vets rights and the
> responsibility this country has towards us all.
>
> None of us wanted to be in 'nam. Hell, there are things we did, saw,
> covered up that still give me nightmares. Just because we are/were
soldiers
> should not mean we can act with impunity or without retribution either
from
> our country or the the one we end up fighting in. Being a soldier does
not
> mean we have carte blanche to do as we please out of frustration, anger,
> loneliness, sadness or any other emotion that may hit us at the time.
>
> I saw villages ravished for no other reason than "VC may be hiding in the
> huts - burn it all down." I saw women abused, children kicked (you never
> knew who was carrying what on themselves along with that sweet smile,
ready
> to do you in at a moment's notice), men abused and killed simply because
> they would not give up information they either did not have or would not
> depart with. Tom has those same experiences and nightmares. Anyone who
> served for more than one tour over there, does. Between Tom and I alone,
we
> had over 7 PDS/TD orders to be there. You don't leave that behind - ever.
>
> But again, Tom is not wallowing in it. He showed a pic that he thought
> would help people understand the sacrifice he made for his country. One
> that SEEMINGLY you are willing to toss aside as not being worthy enough.
> Well, your standards may be different than most of ours, but seriously, I
> believe he is just as much due respect and gratitude as the ones who
have/do
> come back in the flag-strewn boxes that our government tries so hard to
hide
> from its citizens.
>
> Please reconsider your position and try to see that Tom was honestly
trying
> to share a bit of himself in a most positive and non-self promoting
manner.
> This really is a man to be admired and respected. Yes, he gets hot-headed
> at times, but part of the beauty of the man is that he recognizes when he
> has over-stepped the line and is willing, able and does apologize on those
> occasions when he does.
>
> I again ask that you give Tom some space to voice his opinion as well as
> some, SOME, respect for his duty and service to his country.
>
> That's all I am asking of you - don't take this to mean you have to become
> his best but, 'cause that is not what I am doing. Just give the man the
> benefit of the doubt and let him show you what a really good guy he is,
ok?
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
> J :]
>
>
>
>
> >From: "rvrcowboy" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
> >To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "J Ford"
> ><privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A "Peace" of Grass---featuring a GI in Iraq
> >Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 08:03:03 -0700
> >
> >J,
> >
> >Good to hear from you, I was hoping you would get into this sooner or
later
> >because you bring a respectable view with you.
> >
> >First, I am not attacking Tom. I merely asked him a civil question and
he
> >is so paranoid that his manhood, or something, is being challenged he
took
> >it offensively. If you go back to my original post you will find that I
> >only asked if he would care to share the story of his injury with us,
since
> >he posted the picture without any explaination what-so-ever.
> >
> >Secondly, I admit I have very little respect for Tom. I see him as a
> >pompous boor most of the time. He is constantly disrespectful toward
> >others
> >(note the misuse and mispelling of my name in his posts which I politely
> >asked him not to do). He is a dog-piler, always pitching his two cents
> >worth of vile into every argument, whether it concerns him or not. While
> >he
> >is disrespectful toward others, he expects them to hold him in high
regard
> >and uses his military service as a reason they should, even though he
> >demonstrates little respect for those still serving.
> >
> >I respect the fact Tom served in our military but that does not give him
> >license to go through life taking pot shots at others and being
> >disrespectful toward them. In my opinion, he is dishonest about his
> >service, (why else would he get so uptight about being asked to share his
> >story?), he has a very juvenile attitude and he is a big cry baby.
> >
> >I tried to show interest in him by asking him to share the story of his
> >injury, politely. He took offense and went off the deep end, I suspect
> >because he thought I was trying to trap him into revealing it had nothing
> >to
> >do with combat, which it appeared he was attempting to portray. I could
> >care less whether it did or didn't. I was only curious. A simple, "I
> >don't
> >care to discuss it." would have sufficed. There was no need for venom
from
> >him, accompanied by more misuse of my name.
> >
> >So, you see, I have little use for Mr. Hansen and would just as soon
never
> >address him at all, except that he constantly injects his rhetoric into
my
> >posts, mostly in the form of some insult or implication that I am stupid,
> >or
> >he is superior in some way. He needs to grow up.
> >
> >I hope I have answered your query sufficiently. I do not understand
Tom's
> >position of acting like a vile little brat toward others. In my opinion,
> >he
> >needs to be taken to the woodshed.
> >
> >Peace between Tom and I may be out of reach at this point. I suspect he
> >will offer an apology sooner or later, to preserve his questionable
> >reputation, and then continue right on in his immature manner. Perhaps
he
> >is incapable of acting any other way, who knows?
> >
> >Wishing you peace and tranquility...
> >
> >Dick S.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:47 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A "Peace" of Grass---featuring a GI in Iraq
> >
> >
> > > I am not sure why you are attacking someone who served his country as
> >well
> > > and as long as Tom has, in the way you are doing so. You can disagree
> >with
> > > him, even agree to disagree, but seriously why try to hurt him by
being
> >vile
> > > or non-respectful of his service and his injury?
> > >
> > > Dick, seriously - can you just try to understand Tom's position or at
> >least
> > > understand that you two are not on the same page? Like Gram always
said
> >-
> > > More bees are caught with honey than vinegar.
> > >
> > > There are plenty of us that disagree on this list but we don't attack
> >quite
> > > as nastily as is happening here.
> > >
> > > Would you be willing to consider a type of peace between you two?
> > >
> > > J :]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "rvrcowboy" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
> > > >To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Tom Hansen"
> ><thansen at moscow.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A "Peace" of Grass---featuring a GI in Iraq
> > > >Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:53:34 -0700
> > > >
> > > >You are a real hero, Tom. I am so very impressed to even have the
> > > >privilege to know you. Did you get a piece of rice in your arse,
like
> >John
> > > >Kerry did, or did some barmaid beat the crap out of you and break
your
> >leg?
> > > >
> > > >I suspose you don't like to talk about your war wound because it
brings
> > > >memories flooding back to haunt you and give you night mares,, right?
> > > >
> > > >All I asked, and I asked in earnest, was: What was the story behind
> >the
> > > >picture? I asked it because I was concerned and cared, not because I
> > > >wanted to belittle the situation or put you down. You are paranoid.
> > > >
> > > >Go get em... hero...
> > > >
> > > >Dick
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Tom Hansen
> > > > To: 'rvrcowboy' ; 'Vision2020'
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:05 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] A "Peace" of Grass---featuring a GI in
> >Iraq
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And may I say, dick, as a lifetime member of Disabled American
> >Veterans
> > > >(DAV), I welcome your support.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom Hansen
> > > >
> > > > Moscow, Idaho
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
> > > >arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather
to
> > > >skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body
> > > >thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a
> >ride!'"
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >---
> > > >
> > > > From: rvrcowboy [mailto:rvrcowboy at clearwire.net]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:58 PM
> > > > To: Vision2020; Tom Hansen
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A "Peace" of Grass---featuring a GI in
> >Iraq
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You are the one who posted the picture. I only asked if you would
> >care
> > > >to share the story behind it. Meaning, what happened to you?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don't get so sensitive over nothing, if you don't want to share,
> >that's
> > > >ok. For someone who purposefully tries to diminish others you sure
get
> > > >huffy over nothing when someone asks you a question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dick
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >
> > > > From: Tom Hansen
> > > >
> > > > To: 'rvrcowboy' ; 'Vision2020'
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:18 PM
> > > >
> > > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] A "Peace" of Grass---featuring a GI in
> >Iraq
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Three months in the Wuerzburg Universitat Hospital followed by
two
> > > >months in the Army Hospital, Wuerzburg (total of 11 operations) and
off
> >to
> > > >San Diego for reconstructive surgery.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is not a "story", dick.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Enough said.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom Hansen
> > > >
> > > > Moscow, Idaho
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
> > > >arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather
to
> > > >skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body
> > > >thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a
> >ride!'"
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >-
> > > >
> > > > From: rvrcowboy [mailto:rvrcowboy at clearwire.net]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:10 PM
> > > > To: Vision2020; Tom Hansen
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A "Peace" of Grass---featuring a GI in
> >Iraq
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Great picture, care to share the story?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dick
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >
> > > > From: Tom Hansen
> > > >
> > > > To: 'rvrcowboy' ; 'Vision2020'
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:02 PM
> > > >
> > > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] A "Peace" of Grass---featuring a GI
in
> > > >Iraq
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > While we are sharing pictures, dick -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Here is a photo taken on December 21, 1986 at the US Army
> >Hospital,
> > > >Landstuhl.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ten guesses who that is standing on the loading dock as he was
> >being
> > > >medevac'd to the Balboa Naval Hospital in San Diego.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/Landstuhl_122186.jpg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom Hansen
> > > >
> > > > Moscow, Idaho
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion
> >but
> > > >the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime."
> > > >
> > > > --Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.
> > >
> > >
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