[Vision2020] Echoes From the Whinery

Fri Jul 28 12:13:43 PDT 2006

Tony,

The point is not that Wilson shouldn't have filed a police report. 

The point is that he has used his misfortunes as an opportunity to punish and silence his critics. Wilson named the names of four persons in the police report yet provided no evidence that any of them had anything to do with any of violence committed against him. That is irresponsible. 

Or are you suggesting that just because you've been critical of some of my comments I now have the right to, say, list you as a possible suspect should something happen to my private property or to me? That would be ridiculous and wrong of me to do and you know it. The same goes for Wilson.

He did it again on Blog and Mablog, accusing Metzler of being an anonymous critic with no evidence to support his claim whatsoever.

Best, Joe

---- Tony Simpson <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote: 

=============
Just wanted to add my 2 cents regarding Pastor Wilson's complaint to the police:  Gotta' go with Paul, Dick and Donovan.  I'll bet if the same had happened to Ford, he/she would have done precisely the same thing.

The anti-Wilson hysteria being whipped up in this community these past years had created an environment of righteous indignation among those who are able to convince themselves that they are justified in lashing out criminally at those with whom they disagree.  All those contributing to this witch hunt bear some degree of responsibility for this very real campaign of terror being waged against Mr. Wilson.

In solidarity with the oppressed,     --Tony----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Rumelhart 
  To: Vision2020 
  Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Echoes From the Whinery

  I have to side with Dick S. and Donovan Arnold on this one.  Which is ironic, because I'm guessing that ideologically we differ on many issues.  Ditto Doug Wilson.  However, in my opinion, they happen to be right.  Doug Wilson has every right to go to the police if he's being harassed as he says he is.  That's one of the reasons they exist.  It's also juvenile to call him a "whiner" or to belittle him for doing it.  

  If Doug Wilson is making this up and filing false police reports, and we had proof of this, that would be a different story.  As it stands, though, it's just speculation.  We might as well speculate on whether or not he's been abducted by aliens and replaced with an exact duplicate.  Besides, if I were trying to frame somebody I would show some faked evidence, such as a tire with a nail I put in it myself.

  It's fine if you don't agree with his theology, or don't like his future vision for Moscow, or don't like the kind of car he drives - just remember that he is to be afforded the same rights that you yourself would want to have if it happened to you.

  Paul

  rvrcowboy wrote: 
Mr. Ford,

I do not understand your vile attitude, not only toward Doug Wilson, but
also toward anyone who advocates that he be afforded the same rights and
privileges as anyone else.  Donovan only suggested that Mr. Wilson be
afforded the same rights as any other citizen and be allowed to pursue the
protection of his own property through the legal system.  If he is pressing
charges against others frivolusly that should become apparent in the follow
up to the charges.

Perhaps your own life would be more serene if you let the law handle Mr.
Wilson's case and devoted your time to something more productive.  Your
complete hatred toward Wilson has become obvious to all and now you are
letting it spill over onto others who only differ in opinion from you about
anything concerning Doug Wilson.

Your reply to Mr. Arnold, for example, hints of a threat, actual or not.  It
reminds me of when my daughter was very young and rejected some of her
friends to please others who did not like them.  It was childish of her then
and it is childish of you now.

I am sure you can come back with some nasty remarks for me but please
believe me, I am not trying to condem you, only to point out to you how
silly, childish and full of venom you often sound.

Dick S.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Echoes From the Whinery

  You made statements the other day that Wilson had these incidents video
taped...I asked you THEN to prove what you are saying and you have not.
    Now
  this.  IF you know something that these four named do not know or that
    even
  the POLICE do not know - prove it.  Otherwise, I STRONGLY suggest you shut
your trap.

I realize you are very tempted to step into things that you have no
knowledge of or part in because it fits some need in you to do so.  But I
believe this is one (of many) fights you need to stay out of.  Dougie-boy
does not need your help in his whining nor in the singing of his
"Oh-my-gosh-I-am-so-persecuted" theme song.

J  :]

    From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>, Joan Opyr <joanopyr at moscow.com>,
 "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Echoes From the Whinery
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:21:43 -0700 (PDT)

"Although Doug Wilson's statement can be easily reduced to one word
(WAAAH!), a friend of mine described it more appropriately when comparing
it to
little Johnny at Rosauers tugging on his mommy's dress complaining that
somebody made a face at him."--Tom Hansen

Tom,

Are you suggesting that if someone complains about 4 of their tires being
slashed,
that they are just a whiny baby?

You must be twice the man as most people, because most people would
      report
  that
incident to the police. They wouldn't just shrug their shoulders and
      laugh
  at the "teenage prank".
I would be making as much noise as I could, otherwise it would keep
happening.

For some that seems so CONCERNED about the LAW, I would think you would
support the reporting, pursuit
and arrest, and forced repayment from the individual(s) responsible.

To be honest, I think you and the gal that did this are the only ones on
this list that think reporting four slashed tires
to the police is a bad idea and just whining.

I think you are letting Vandal Spirit spread to far outside the ball
      court.
  Best,

  _DJA

Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:  Greetings Visionaires -

The website concerning the police report filed by Doug Wilson on July 18,
2006 has been updated to include the handwritten statement signed by Doug
Wilson.

Although Doug Wilson's statement can be easily reduced to one word
(WAAAH!),
a friend of mine described it more appropriately when comparing it to
little
Johnny at Rosauers tugging on his mommy's dress complaining that somebody
made a face at him.

But then, why not let you fine people reach your own conclusions:

http://www.tomandrodna.com/Wilsonistas/Police_Report_071805.htm

There are 20,000 stories in the naked city.  This isn't any of them.

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

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