[Vision2020] Beheading, Hooding, and Water Boarding: CIA Torture in Vietnam, Latin America, and Iraq

[Tony Simpson]

Nick,

Regarding our discussion of last week about Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld's 
support of torture as you have described:  I am still curious as to the 
content of the dated, verbatim transcripts you presumably have which detail 
the administration's activities in this regard.  Has the cat got your mouse, 
or could you please substantiate these serious allegations you have been 
making?  To simply level a horrendous charge and merely refer to it's 
confirmation as "available on the web" is, as you must know, inadequate. 
You are the one making the allegation.  It is therefore up to YOU to quote 
directly and fully attributed, to your alleged source on the web or 
elsewhere.  It is not the reader's responsibility to confirm and research 
your charges as you so smugly suggested last week when questioned.

Waiting patiently for a properly documented presentation,  --Tony


--- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Simpson" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
To: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Beheading, Hooding, and Water Boarding: CIA 
Torture in Vietnam, Latin America, and Iraq


> Ok Nick,
>
> Let's assume the CIA has engaged in torture in the past, for the sake of 
> argument, although you have yet to quote from the manuals you insist 
> exist.
>
> Are you suggesting that such is the case now?  If you have any evidence 
> that Bush, Cheney, or Rumsfeld have supported the use of the tactics you 
> refer to, would you be so thorough as to provide dated, verbatim quotes?
>
> Your simply insisting something is so because it's "available on the web" 
> is inadequate.  There is a lot of BS on the web.  How can we be certain 
> that the material you site does not fall into that category, if it exists 
> at all?
>
> Patiently waiting for more than gratuitous assertions,  --Tony
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 3:05 PM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Beheading, Hooding, and Water Boarding: CIA Torture 
> in Vietnam, Latin America, and Iraq
>
>
>> Greetings:
>>
>> As usual it looks as if Simpson has responded off the cuff without doing 
>> any research.  I googled "Phoenix Program CIA Torture" and came up with 
>> tons of material, but not a single "contemporary conservative" response. 
>> I don't trust Colby or Negroponte for the same reason I don't trust Bush, 
>> Cheney, and Rumsfeld. The CIA torture manuals are available on the web or 
>> from distributors.
>>
>> I won't burden the list with what I found on the web, but I will send it 
>> down the hill.
>>
>> Nick Gier
>>
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