[Vision2020] Property tax cut?

Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Sun Jul 23 19:09:19 PDT 2006


John,
  
 Thanks for pointing out that piece of information. I am  never for tax cuts unless the government can explain, in detail, how it  intends to pay for all government expenses services and cost increases  in the next few years. 
  
 I think property taxes on  residential properties are outrageous. However, I think shifting it to  sales tax is an even worse injustice. I think the best way to deal with  tax burdens is to not increase government spending until people are  able to afford the taxes. When too many people are complaining of taxes  being beyond their ability to pay for it, chances are that the  government is just to big for that community. Cutting taxes, which  destroys public services, then having to later raise the taxes again  later anyway, is not a good way to run a government. 
  
 I have  not had time to study the issue, however, I think raising taxes and  adding more government employees is a bad idea at this time. If there  is good cause to raise taxes and make a significant increase in the  number of city employees, the Mayor and  Council should be, in  detail, explaining why.
  
  Best,
  
  _DJA

John Dickinson <johnd at moscow.com> wrote:                                  st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                    Hi-
  
  Property taxes fund schools, cities, and a few other places. About 2/3  goes to schools and about 1/3 goes to the cities. The "property tax  reflief" being discussed is talking about the school portion and will  likely leave the cities portion untouched.
  
 Reading the piece  from Elliot Werk points out why most people distrust their government.  I am always disappointed when politicians give a public description of  their actions that hide the real self-serving motives. One of the  reasons I ran for city council a couple of years ago was to show people  that it was possible to run for an office, express a set of beliefs  during a campaign, and act on those beliefs in an ethical way  throughout a term of office. Our state and our country would be so much  better served if a majority of politicians acted in this manner.
  
  Enjoy the summer heat.
  John
     
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  From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On  Behalf Of J Ford
  Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 12:08 PM
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com
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    How does this affect what Mayor Cheny wants to  do?  Does this mean her 3% 
    tax hike is out the window followed closely by her 9  new employees?
     
     
     
    J  :]
     
     
     
     
     
    >From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu>
    >To: Vision2020 at moscow.com
    >Subject: [Vision2020] Property tax cut?
    >Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:50:26 -0700
    > 
    > 
    >ELLIOT WERK
    > 
    >IDAHO   STATE SENATE
    >Legislative News
    >The Special Interest Session
    >July 16,
    >2006
    >                                        Volume 1, Number 6
    > 
    > 
    >In This Issue
    >7    The Special Interest  Session  Whats in it For You?
    > 
    >7    Town Hall Meeting on the  Property Tax Plans  July 24th, 6:30 PM
    >at Boise  Public Library
    > 
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    >The Special Interest Session  Whats  in it For You?
    >By now many of you have heard talk of a special  session of the
    >legislature to provide a property tax cut. The  Governor has asked
    >legislators to hold Friday, August 25, 2006 open  in case a special
    >session is called.
    > 
    >Homeowners are rightfully asking for something to  be done about
    >rapidly escalating property taxes. So, if a  special session of the
    >legislature is called - whats in it for you  the  homeowner?
    > 
    >To answer that question lets take a look at  the tax cut proposal
    >that the Governor has laid out (both in his  inaugural speech and many
    >times since). Then we can talk a bit about how the  proposal affects
    >homeowners, and then about how the special session  will work. Lastly
    >I will lay out the recently announced Democratic  plan that provides
    >100% of the property tax relief to homeowners  without raising the
    >sales tax.
    > 
    >The Governors Proposal - The proposal removes  the school property
    >tax levy (known as the M&O - $3 per $1,000 of  property value) from
    >all types of properties and shifts that cost  (about $250 million) to
    >the sales tax. This would result in a reduction of  about 20% in
    >property taxes for all classes of properties.
    > 
    >That sounds pretty good. Until you look at the  details.
    > 
    >This proposal was rejected three times by the  Senate in the last
    >legislative session because it penalizes the  people that are asking
    >for the tax cut  the homeowners - while  substantially weakening
    >education funding. There is no tax relief for  homeowners in this
    >plan, just the mirage of relief.
    > 
    >Let me explain.
    > 
    >How the Proposal Affects Homeowners - Property  taxes are calculated
    >differently for residential property compared to  all other types of
    >property. While residential property taxes are based  on full market
    >value (what we can sell our house for on the  market) other types of
    >property (commercial, industrial, utility, and  agricultural) are
    >assessed based on income potential. This has led  to a dramatic
    >difference in property value increases over the  last five years
    >(really forever).
    > 
    >For instance, while agricultural land and utility  property taxes have
    >actually dropped almost 10% in the last five  years, residential
    >property taxes have increased by almost 92%.
    > 
    >So back to the Governors plan  according  to Idaho Tax Commission
    >figures - removing the M&O from all classes of  property gives 60% or
    >about $150 million of the tax cut to properties  other than owner
    >occupied homes (like your home that qualifies for  the homeowner
    >exemption). That leaves 40% of the cut for you and  me.
    > 
    >So lets recap, properties that have remained  relatively flat or even
    >seen a decrease in their property taxes in the  last five years will
    >get 60% of the tax cut while properties that have  seen a 92% increase
    >in property taxes get 40%. Seems a bitunfair.
    > 
    >And it gets even worse. We, the homeowners, pick  up the lions share
    >of that $250 million cost since the proposal  shifts the school levy
    >from property to sales taxes and business is  generally exempt from
    >paying sales tax (remember all those tax  exemptions). If business
    >properties are paying part of the school levy  today and we shift to a
    >tax that they do not pay (and the costs stay the  same) then
    >homeowners pick up that extra burden. That is how  a tax cut becomes a
    >tax increase for you  the homeowner.
    > 
    >Another recap  60% of the tax cuts go to  special interests that have
    >seen no substantial property tax increases over  the last five years
    >and homeowners see an overall increase in our tax  burden as we pick
    >up the full cost for school funding.
    > 
    >But that is not all. Unfortunately theres  more.
    > 
    >If you itemize deductions on your federal income  taxes you can deduct
    >your property taxes from your income. So in  reality you pay your
    >property taxes with 75 or 80 cent dollars  (depending on your tax
    >bracket). So not only will homeowners pay for a  tax cut for special
    >interests, but you also lose the deductibility of  that portion of
    >your tax burden!
    > 
    >That is why the Senate rejected this plan three  times during the
    >regular session  it raises taxes on the  people that need the cuts
    >the most  the homeowners. And it gives a  juicy tax cut to property
    >classes that have not seen substantial property  tax increases!
    > 
    >If you dont believe me you can ask Senator  Hal Bunderson  chairman
    >of the Senate Local Government and Taxation  committee (you can
    >contact him at 888-7156). After weeks of study  using Idaho Tax
    >Commission figures he led the charge against this  plan in the regular
    >session and has spoken out repeatedly against it  recently in the
    >Idaho  Statesman.
    > 
    >That is why I call the contemplated special  legislative session a
    >Special Interest session. It will  provide tax relief only to the
    >special interests  not the homeowner.
    > 
    >How Will the Special Interest Session  Work?  As the Governor has
    >laid it out, a proposal will be worked out behind  closed doors. The
    >Governor will line up support for the plan prior  to calling the
    >Special Interest session - guaranteeing  that he has enough votes to
    >assure a quick victory. The Special  Interest session will be called
    >on a Friday (August 25th) where the only proposal  considered will be
    >his plan. There will be no committee hearings, no  public testimony,
    >and no other plans considered.
    > 
    >The Democratic Plan  Property taxes on owner  occupied homes have
    >increased an average of 92% in the last five  years. You need some
    >relief. Our plan provides homeowners with 100% of  the relief.
    > 
    > 
    >The plan is simple  everyone that qualifies  for the homeowner
    >exemption is given an additional exemption from  the school M&O levy.
    >You get a 20% property tax cut and special  interests get nothing. No
    >shift, no complications. Just tax cuts where they  are needed.
    > 
    >The cost of our plan is $104 million which can be  absorbed by our
    >ongoing surplus (we currently have a $200 million  fund balance  of
    >that about $100 million is likely ongoing revenue  we can use to fund
    >property tax relief).
    > 
    >Town Hall Meeting on the Property Tax Plans
    > 
    >The Ada County Democratic legislators will host a  Town Hall Meeting
    >at 6:30 PM on Monday, July 24th at the Boise Public Library. The
    >purpose of the meeting is to have a public review  of both property
    >tax plans and provide the opportunity for the  public to discuss and
    >comment on the plans.
    > 
    >We are offering this opportunity to ensure that  the public is well
    >informed about the property tax plans and the  ramifications of each
    >plan.
    > 
    >I hope to see you all there. You might want to  arrive early since
    >space is limited and we expect a large crowd.
    > 
    >In closing I would ask you to contact your  legislators to voice your
    >opinion about property tax relief. Do you want to  pay for a cut for
    >the special interests or would you like targeted  relief for
    >homeowners. You can contact your legislator by  name at http://
    >www.legislature.idaho.gov/about/contactbyname.cfm  or by district at
    >http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/about/contactbydistrict.cfm.  You can
    >also contact the Governor (after all he is leading  the charge) at
    >either 334-2100 or via email at  http://gov.idaho.gov/ourgov/
    >contact.html.
    > 
    > 
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