[Vision2020] Putz

[Tim Lohrmann]

Scott,
  Well, the deal on that is at least Beltre's doing better at #2 now than where he was, right?  
  They had to switch him up  to try and get him to do some sort of something, I think. At least he's doing a little better now. 
You're right about Leyland being great with the Detroits, too bad the M's couldn't have had him.  But my understanding is that he wasn't looking to come back to manage until this last offseason when the Tigers got rid of Trammel.
           TL
          
Scott Dredge <sdredge at yahoo.com> wrote:
          That call was egregious.  Posada was clearly out even in real time.  I've never been a big fan of Hargrove and I would have prefered that the M's had hired Jim Leyland since he can win with any cast of players.  Of my several complaints about Hargrove, the biggest one is Beltre hitting in the number 2 slot behind Ichiro.  When Ichiro is on second with no outs, the next hitter should move him over to third rather than swing from the heels ala Beltre.

-Scott

  ----- Original Message ----
From: Tim Lohrmann <timlohr at yahoo.com>
To: Deacon James <deaconblues42 at gmail.com>
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Putz

  Deacon,
  But there's a big but you neglected to mention, dude.
  What about the blown call at first?  Even the AP stories said the call was wrong. The game should have been over before the tying run was scored. 
  What counted as a sac fly to score the tying run should have been the third out. You're right that Putz wasn't as sharp as he has been, but he can't be held responsible for blown calls. 
   
   I'm not so sure you're right about Hargrove, either. 
   I don't think he's Mr. Wonderful or anything necessarily, but he does have the experience of having been to a world series at least. 
  And don't you think that firing him would pretty much disrupt the clubhouse for a while when the M's are still definitely in a division championship race? 
  The time to make a change like that, if there even is a better option, is when the season's over, don'tcha think?
           TL
          

Deacon James <deaconblues42 at gmail.com> wrote:
  Visionatics,

Last night, J.J. Putz blew a save against the Yankees that led to a Mariner loss in 11 innings.

This was the first save situation in which Putz allowed a run since taking over as the closer in early May, and it was the first save situation in which he allowed a hit since June 6. Plus, he was pitching in what turned out to become a virtual tornado. 

Somehow, this is more evidence that Mike Hargrove should be fired, but I haven't yet found a way to twist it. Any help here would be appreciated.

Take care,

Deacon
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