[Vision2020] Beheading, Hooding, and Water Boarding: CIA Torture in Vietnam, Latin America, and Iraq

[Tony Simpson]

Nick,

Why is it that Nelson Brickman's testimony regarding the Phoenix Program is 
not to be questioned, but that of contemporary conservatives, who deny his 
allegations, are to be summarily dismissed?  For every story of abuse you 
can cull from, any number of conflicting testimonies can be referenced.  You 
have your bias and therefore only select from those sources which support 
your thesis.

Inasmuch as you have no first hand knowledge of these alleged incidents, and 
the contemporary reports were widely divergent, isn't it unwise to swallow 
wholesale the tales of Brickman?  Clearly such material CAN be rationally 
disputed.

Brickman's word is holy to you because he criticizes his country's conduct. 
But William Colby, who supports his country's conduct you dismiss out of 
hand as a liar.  Bottom line is you have no idea who is telling the truth, 
but you prefer the anti-American line as usual.

Unless you can demonstrate with bootleg images as we benefited from at Abu 
Grabe, (sp?) definitive proof of your allegations, they are just that, 
allegations about which there is no consensus nor any direct, indisputable 
evidence.

Gullibility hardly becomes you Prof.

Best,  --Tony
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
To: "Tony Simpson" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Beheading, Hooding, and Water Boarding: CIA 
Torture in Vietnam, Latin America, and Iraq


> Greetings:
>
> My main source for the Phoenix Program was directly from one of the men 
> who created it: Nelson Brickman.  One can google "Phoenix Program" and 
> find original documents as well as commentaries.  This material has been 
> known for a long time and cannot be disputed.
>
> William Colby was lying when he said that Phoenix was purely a South 
> Vietnamese program, just as Negroponte would be fibbing if he said that 
> Latin American governments tortured and killed all it on their own.  We 
> trained them at the School of the Americas, for God's sake!
>
> It's terribly embarrassing for former CIA officers to speak up about our 
> outrageous misadventures, which has done more to damage U. S. credibility 
> than any enemy propaganda can do.  We lose our souls when we act like our 
> enemies.
>
> Since when was "The Army Times" a hate magazine?!!  Thanks to Tom's 
> postings, we have a good way of checking the "leftist" press against a 
> patriotic journal.
>
> Visionaries should have remembered my description of "The New Republic" 
> some time ago: supported the Contras, supported the war in Iraq (now 
> regrets it), and once had Fred Barnes as its senior editor.  It was been 
> rated by members of Congress as the most objective US journal.
>
> Nick Gier
>
>