[Vision2020] The Keely Emerine Mix / Doug Wilson discussion
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Thu Jul 13 00:20:44 PDT 2006
Mayhap they could move to Ireland and change their name....you know,
something like Paddy O. File?
No...no, better yet - Petey O. File.
Or I. M. Scum?
Just a couple of thoughts. :)
J :]
>From: "Ellen Roskovich" <gussie443 at hotmail.com>
>To: deco at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Keely Emerine Mix / Doug Wilson discussion
>Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:10:26 -0700
>
>
>So what should happen to a pedophile. . . or to one who shields him?
>
>Ellen A. Roskovich
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>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Keely Emerine Mix / Doug Wilson discussion
>Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:23 -0700
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>Ellen,
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>Here's the curious thing.
>
>What does it matter when it was written? Has Wilson's alleged God or
>Wilson (remember we may be referring to the same thing here with both
>titles) changed over the last 15 years?
>
>I thought that Wilson and/or his god was immutable.
>
>What is interesting is that the Cultmaster is unwilling to give a straight,
>unambiguous response as to whether he/she thinks the article is true and/or
>represents cult dogma. Is his favorite color yellow?
>
>Below are some extracts from the article at issue and some comments on the
>Cultmaster's immutability.
>
>
>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>deco at moscow.com
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>From Credenda/Agenda (Christ Church Cult Official Organ), by Gregory
>Dickison [Comments added]:
>
>http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm
>
>
>
>"The civil magistrate is the minister of God to execute wrath on the
>wrongdoer (Rom. 13:4). God has not left his civil minister without guidance
>on how to exercise his office. The Scriptures set forth clear standards of
>judgment for many offenses. Capital crimes, for example, include
>premeditated killing (murder), kidnapping, sorcery, bestiality, adultery,
>homosexuality, and cursing one's parents..."
>
>"In contemporary American jurisprudence, none of these offenses is
>punishable by death, with the occasional exception of murder. The
>magistrates have dispensed with God's standards of justice. Some Christians
>believe this is an improvement. They would be horrified to think that the
>"harsh" penalties of the law should still be applied. Sometimes this is the
>result of the mistaken belief that the Old Testament has no further
>application after the advent of Christ. This is an exegetical problem. Too
>often, it is the result of a sinful view of the criminal. This sin is
>called pity."
>
>"If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the
>wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly
>entices you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods,". . . you shall not
>consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you
>spare him or conceal him; but you shall surely kill him..." [Comment:
>Heresy: Beware, ye not of the cult!]
>
>"If two men fight together, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her
>husband from the hand of the one attacking him, and puts out the hand and
>seizes him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall
>not pity her..."
>
>God commands the judge to evaluate the crime rather than the criminal. If
>the crime is one for which God requires death, then death must be the
>punishment. Your eye shall not pity. Neither is the repentance of the
>accused relevant to the imposition of the sentence.
>
>"Thus, the Bible teaches that pity is not an option where God has decided
>the matter. The [civil] magistrate, God's minister, is to faithfully
>execute justice according to God's standard, not man's... This means that
>we must return to an obedience which confines pity within the bounds which
>God has established for us."
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________
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>ACCURACY MATTERS
>
>
>
>Christ Church pastor Doug Wilson was incorrectly quoted in the weekend
>paper due to a Daily News error.
>
>
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>In the front page article headlined, "Both sides point fingers; can there
>be
>
>a middle ground?" Wilson was quoted as saying:
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>"I've never been in anything like this, and I've never changed my views on
>anything."
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>What he actually said was:
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>"I've never been in anything like this, and I've never changed. I've never
>changed what I do, [sic] I've not changed anything."
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>When anyone says:
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>"I've never changed. I've never changed what I do, [sic] I've not changed
>anything."
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>Most would take the ordinary meaning of this most curious and revealing
>utterance as:
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>"I have never made a mistake!!!"
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>For those Christians who believe that in some unfathomable,
>non-linguistically-intelligible/expressible way their alleged God, alleged
>Holy Ghost, and Jesus are one and the same, the only being who could assert
>that she/he/it has never made a mistake is an incarnations of GOD HIMSELF.
>
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>Hence, the above quote from Cult Master Wilson is equivalent to saying:
>
>
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>"I am God!!!"
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>[Can you say "Are we dealing with severe mental health problems here?"?]
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>However, in the delusional Wilson's defense, one could say he does resemble
>in one very pivotal way a certain Greek God: Narcissus*.
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>*Narcissus is remembered for having fallen in love with himself.
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ellen Roskovich
>To: deaconblues42 at gmail.com ; thansen at moscow.com
>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Keely Emerine Mix / Doug Wilson discussion
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>I know I was very surprised last night when I heard Doug Wilson tell the
>audience that the Dickison article was from 15 years ago. I really thought
>it was more recent.
>
>So, was the article WRITTEN 15 years ago and only published more recently
>when they were looking for stuff to fill a few pages?
>
>Also, on the Credenda Agenda website there's only 45 publications listed
>between Vol. 3, no. 9 (the one in question) and the current Vol.12, No. 1.
>So, Deacon, I don't know if your equation is going to work. That means
>there would be around 3 actual magazines printed per year. . . is that
>right?
>
>As you can see, I'm pretty confussed by the whole thing. . . and Tom is
>going to make us all wait until TOMORROW to give us the answer. . . . Darn.
>
>Ellen A. Roskovich
>
>P.S. Can't forget the new tradition. . . a sports update! Barbaro
>underwent surgery and his condition is serious.
>
>
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>From: "Deacon James" <deaconblues42 at gmail.com>
>To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>CC: Vision2020 Moscow <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Keely Emerine Mix / Doug Wilson discussion
>Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:36 -0700
>
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>Well, I don't know if I have "direct links" to Anselm House, so I thought
>I'd give it a try.
>
>According the article on your site, it is from volume 3, number 9. The
>current Credenda is volume 18, number 2. So, considering that volumes are
>incremented annually, I would guess that it was published roughly 15 (18
>minus 3) years ago.
>
>
>Do I win??? If so, let me know where I can pick up my CD.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Deacon
>
>P.S. The American League owns the National League.
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>On 7/12/06, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
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>Doug "His Whineyness" Wilson's claim that
>the article was written 15 years ago is . . . how do I put this . . .
>wrong.
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>But then I know when it was written. How do I know? I noted the issue and
>date when I downloaded it from the Credenda
>site. I could tell you right here qand now as to when it was
>written. But that would be taking the fun out of it.
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>Check it out for yourselves at:
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>http://www.NotOnThePalouse.com/your_eye_shall_not_pity.htm
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>There is a free MP3 CD of last night's
>discussion in it for the guess that come the closes.
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>Those of you with links to Anselm House
>are disqualified from entering. There is an outside chance that you might
>actually know the answer to this query in spite of what Doug Wilson said
>last
>night.
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>This offer terminates tomorrow (Thursday,
>7/13/2006) morning at 10:00 AM when I temporarily exchange the friendly
>terrain
>of the Palouse for the crowded community of Thousand Oaks, California.
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>Tom Hansen
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>Moscow, Idaho
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>"Life should NOT be a journey to the
>grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well
>preserved
>body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the
>other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO.
>What a
>ride!'"
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>From:
>vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
>vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Joan Opyr
>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:26
>PM
>
>To: Vision2020 Moscow
>
>Subject: [Vision2020] The Keely
>Emerine Mix / Doug Wilson discussion
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>I am listening to the fascinating discussion between Keely and Doug on
>KRFP, so I'll make this brief. Keely made reference to an article Christ
>Church
>attorney and former public defender Greg Dickison wrote for Credenda Agenda
>called "Your Eye Shall Not Pity." This article came up in reference
>to a call from Lois Blackburn asking if Doug still believed in offering
>homosexuals the "option" of being stoned to death or exile. Keely
>referred to the article, noting that it had been written said in 2003. In
>response, Doug said that it was written some 15 years ago. (What Doug
>didn't do
>was actually answer Lois' question.)
>
>
>
>Anyhow, I now have satellite, so I thought I'd do a quick search of the
>Credenda Agenda archives. Greg's article appeared in Volume 3.
>Unfortunately,
>Credenda online seems to have been updated and copyrighted in 2005, or so
>says
>the note at the bottom of the screen. The magazine now skips from Volume 2
>to
>Volume 7. Volumes 3, 4, 5, and 6 are missing.
>
>
>
>Good thing we have Tom Hansen's website, www.tomandrodna.com! Greg's
>article,
>"Your Eye Shall Not Pity," may be read there in its entirety,
>unedited and unexpurgated. Perhaps after the show, Doug might pay Tom's
>website
>a visit and re-read Greg's piece. Keely asked Doug if he was now distancing
>himself from Greg's piece and Credenda's published position on
>homosexuality.
>Doug has yet to give a direct answer.
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>
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>But I'm waiting. And waiting, and waiting . . .
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>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
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>www.joanopyr.com
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>I know I was very surprised last night when I heard Doug Wilson tell the
>audience that the Dickison article was from 15 years ago. I really thought
>it was more recent.
>
>So, was the article WRITTEN 15 years ago and only published more recently
>when they were looking for stuff to fill a few pages?
>
>Also, on the Credenda Agenda website there's only 45 publications listed
>between Vol. 3, no. 9 (the one in question) and the current Vol.12, No. 1.
>So, Deacon, I don't know if your equation is going to work. That means
>there would be around 3 actual magazines printed per year. . . is that
>right?
>
>As you can see, I'm pretty confussed by the whole thing. . . and Tom is
>going to make us all wait until TOMORROW to give us the answer. . . . Darn.
>
>Ellen A. Roskovich
>
>P.S. Can't forget the new tradition. . . a sports update! Barbaro
>underwent surgery and his condition is serious.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: "Deacon James" <deaconblues42 at gmail.com>
>To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>CC: Vision2020 Moscow <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Keely Emerine Mix / Doug Wilson discussion
>Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:11:36 -0700
>
>
>Well, I don't know if I have "direct links" to Anselm House, so I thought
>I'd give it a try.
>
>According the article on your site, it is from volume 3, number 9. The
>current Credenda is volume 18, number 2. So, considering that volumes are
>incremented annually, I would guess that it was published roughly 15 (18
>minus 3) years ago.
>
>
>Do I win??? If so, let me know where I can pick up my CD.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Deacon
>
>P.S. The American League owns the National League.
>
>
>
>On 7/12/06, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
>Doug "His Whineyness" Wilson's claim that
>the article was written 15 years ago is . . . how do I put this . . .
>wrong.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>But then I know when it was written. How do I know? I noted the issue and
>date when I downloaded it from the Credenda
>site. I could tell you right here qand now as to when it was
>written. But that would be taking the fun out of it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Check it out for yourselves at:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.NotOnThePalouse.com/your_eye_shall_not_pity.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>There is a free MP3 CD of last night's
>discussion in it for the guess that come the closes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Those of you with links to Anselm House
>are disqualified from entering. There is an outside chance that you might
>actually know the answer to this query in spite of what Doug Wilson said
>last
>night.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>This offer terminates tomorrow (Thursday,
>7/13/2006) morning at 10:00 AM when I temporarily exchange the friendly
>terrain
>of the Palouse for the crowded community of Thousand Oaks, California.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Tom Hansen
>
>
>
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Life should NOT be a journey to the
>grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well
>preserved
>body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the
>other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO.
>What a
>ride!'"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>From:
>vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
>vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Joan Opyr
>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:26
>PM
>
>To: Vision2020 Moscow
>
>Subject: [Vision2020] The Keely
>Emerine Mix / Doug Wilson discussion
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I am listening to the fascinating discussion between Keely and Doug on
>KRFP, so I'll make this brief. Keely made reference to an article Christ
>Church
>attorney and former public defender Greg Dickison wrote for Credenda Agenda
>called "Your Eye Shall Not Pity." This article came up in reference
>to a call from Lois Blackburn asking if Doug still believed in offering
>homosexuals the "option" of being stoned to death or exile. Keely
>referred to the article, noting that it had been written said in 2003. In
>response, Doug said that it was written some 15 years ago. (What Doug
>didn't do
>was actually answer Lois' question.)
>
>
>
>Anyhow, I now have satellite, so I thought I'd do a quick search of the
>Credenda Agenda archives. Greg's article appeared in Volume 3.
>Unfortunately,
>Credenda online seems to have been updated and copyrighted in 2005, or so
>says
>the note at the bottom of the screen. The magazine now skips from Volume 2
>to
>Volume 7. Volumes 3, 4, 5, and 6 are missing.
>
>
>
>Good thing we have Tom Hansen's website, www.tomandrodna.com! Greg's
>article,
>"Your Eye Shall Not Pity," may be read there in its entirety,
>unedited and unexpurgated. Perhaps after the show, Doug might pay Tom's
>website
>a visit and re-read Greg's piece. Keely asked Doug if he was now distancing
>himself from Greg's piece and Credenda's published position on
>homosexuality.
>Doug has yet to give a direct answer.
>
>
>
>But I'm waiting. And waiting, and waiting . . .
>
>
>
>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>
>www.joanopyr.com
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> > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
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> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
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