[Vision2020] Wal-Mart is Unwelcome

[Phil Nisbet]

Hansen

I gave a simple answer to your statement that the people in the South Hill 
area of Spokane all made a lot more than you do.  The statement was 
incorrect.  I did not attack you, I just said that having lived in the lap 
of real poverty in the South Hill in what is considered the Ghetto of 
Spokane, you make one heck of a lot more than the bulk of the population 
there.  I even prefaced that to allow you that there is a rich portion of 
the neighborhood.

Why you keep assuming that any correction to your postings, refardless of 
how factual the correction may be, is an attack on you personally, is beyond 
me.  Other posters also pointed out to you that a big chunk of the South 
Hill is the Ghetto, not just a little below average in income but completely 
and utterly below the poverty line.

I lived in the up stairs of my mother in laws place for two years while the 
family of one sister in law lived in the basement and the other lived in the 
back room of the ground floor, three families in a 2300 square foot one and 
a half bath house.  The alleyway behind the place averaged one murder every 
6 months and the school playground across Arthur at Grant School had a 
murder rape every year.  The income for the neighborhood was 2/3 of the 
poverty line and there was a crack house on every block.  The conditions 
have not changed much, though only one of the sisters still ives there now.

So applogy accepted.  But I really was not attacking you just observing that 
its a poor place and not a rich one.

Phil Nisbet


>From: "Tom Hansen" <idahotom at hotmail.com>
>To: kjajmix1 at msn.com, pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Wal-Mart is Unwelcome
>Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:20:01 -0800
>
>Now, Now Mr. Nisbet -
>
>I may have made a mistake and erred.  Perhaps, to satisfy your criticism, I 
>could have addressed which portion of South Hill's families are above 
>average annual income and which portion of South Hill's families are below 
>average annual income.  Those statistics are not available to me.  If this 
>oversight has caused you grief, I apologize.
>
>It seems that you had two choices:
>
>1)  You could have attacked my premise that a South Hill Wal-Mart super 
>center would not provide benefit to lower income famlies, which would have 
>resulted in an informative debate or
>
>2)  You could have attacked me personally concerning my lack of knowledge 
>concerning the demographics of South Hill.
>
>Ah, well . . .
>
>Enough said.
>
>Take care, Moscow.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>To: pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com
>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Wal-Mart is Unwelcome
>>Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:42:11 -0800
>>
>>Kai and Phil,
>>
>>Thanks for your responses.  Maybe I took your comments the wrong way, and 
>>if I did, I'm sorry.  I think that there are very few places, other than 
>>the former Cabrini-Greene in Chicago or the El Encanto neighborhood in 
>>Tucson, perhaps, that are "all" slum or "all" prosperous.  I guess I 
>>bristle at things like that because it tends to dismiss the successes of 
>>the people in the "slums" and overlook the rot in the tony areas.  I'm not 
>>naive; the neighborhood I grew up in was and is fairly run down, but I 
>>know that decisions that were purported to have been made because of how 
>>government perceived us rarely had our best interests in mind.
>>
>>Again, though, your respect and candor in correcting me is appreciated.
>>
>>keely
>>
>>
>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Wal-Mart is Unwelcome
>>Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:26:47 -0800
>>
>>Keely
>>
>>My remarks about the South Hill had absolutely nothing to do with Wally 
>>World.  Hansen, since that is his preference for me to call him, stated 
>>that the South Hill of Spokane was loaded down with Rich Folks.  Having 
>>lived there for a while, I stated that he was incorrect, since I was 
>>living in the slums there and still have former in-laws living in the 
>>slums there.  It was not meant as an attack on Hansen, just a statement 
>>that South Hill is a lot more complex then he is aware.
>>
>>Phil Nisbet
>
>

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