[Vision2020] what the Bible really teaches (was DouglasWilsononwomen)

[Andreas Schou]

On 1/19/06, Michael <metzler at moscow.com> wrote:
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> Since I'm now an intolerista and a tax gatherer, I figured I'm now free to talk about my church here. So here it goes:  I think Wilson makes an interesting point in response to some criticism here over the woman fighter pilot thing.  So I'd be curious to know what some of your responses to this would be. There's something I agree with and something I don't, but I'll keep it to myself for now. Wilson writes:
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> "Femininity is creational glory. But effeminacy in men is a grotesque parody of this. Equally troubling is the attempt on the part of women to be masculine. A few days ago I put up a post that revealed my view that Scripture prohibits training women for combat (for those interested, I have a detailed discussion on this in Federal Husband). Apparently, from what I have heard, a local listserve went nuts for a time over this Calloused Insensitivity on my part and, once again, I was a Bad Person. This is because I am a Christian who believes that Scripture teaches that women were not created by God to be warriors. If I were a Muslim who believed something comparable and I made my wife wear a burka out to the mall, then I would be praised by these same people for contributing to the rich diversity of our small little town. And if I were a Christian again who pointed out this discrepancy, then I would once again be a Bad Person. Since I can't win for losing, then I will content myself with a chuckle."

Michael --

I don't have a dog in this fight. As I don't identify myself as
Christian, it doesn't mean much to me whether the Bible is pro- or
anti-woman-as-soldier. However:

4  And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lap'idoth, she judged Israel
at that time.
  	
5  And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah, between Ramah and
Beth–el in mount E'phra-im: and the children of Israel came up to her
for judgment.
  	
6  And she sent and called Barak the son of Abin'o-am out of
Kedesh–naph'tali, and said unto him, Hath not the LORD God of Israel
commanded, saying, Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee
ten thousand men of the children of Naph'tali and of the children of
Zeb'ulun?
  	
7  And I will draw unto thee, to the river Kishon, Sis'era the captain
of Jabin's army, with his chariots and his multitude; and I will
deliver him into thine hand.
  	
8  And Barak said unto her, If thou wilt go with me, then I will go:
but if thou wilt not go with me, then I will not go.
  	
9  And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the
journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honor; for the LORD
shall sell Sis'era into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose, and
went with Barak to Kedesh.
  	
10  And Barak called Zeb'ulun and Naph'tali to Kedesh; and he went up
with ten thousand men at his feet: and Deborah went up with him.
  	
11  ¶ Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the
father-in-law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and
pitched his tent unto the plain of Za-ana'im, which is by Kedesh.
  	
12  ¶ And they showed Sis'era that Barak the son of Abin'o-am was gone
up to mount Tabor.
  	
13  And Sis'era gathered together all his chariots, even nine hundred
chariots of iron, and all the people that were with him, from
Haro'sheth of the Gentiles unto the river of Kishon.
  	
14  And Deborah said unto Barak, Up; for this is the day in which the
LORD hath delivered Sis'era into thine hand: is not the LORD gone out
before thee? So Barak went down from mount Tabor, and ten thousand men
after him.
  	
15  And the LORD discomfited Sis'era, and all his chariots, and all
his host, with the edge of the sword before Barak; so that Sis'era
lighted down off his chariot, and fled away on his feet.
  	
16  But Barak pursued after the chariots, and after the host, unto
Haro'sheth of the Gentiles: and all the host of Sis'era fell upon the
edge of the sword; and there was not a man left.

You really can't argue with that without some serious mental gymnastics.

-- ACS