[Vision2020] Beware, anonymous annoyers!

Pat Kraut pkraut at moscow.com
Mon Jan 9 17:47:05 PST 2006 

'Freedom of speech was never supposed to
allow death threats or other forms of intimidation or to allow rapists to
stalk their prey.'

        Ahhmen!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
To: <thansen at moscow.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Beware, anonymous annoyers!


Tom

Go to just about any Jewish list and see how many skin head scum bags jump
on it with vile BS.

The same goes for Moslem website, civil rights website, etc.

To "protect free speech", Yahoo and others have allowed some of these folks
to issue death threats, post slanderous comments about identified posters on
boards, make false claims about persons and companies, religions and the
rest.  Whe the persons attacked want to respond through normal legal
channels, the web companies have consistantly refused to divulge IP addies
or who the threatening cyber stalker even is.  California even went so far
as to add a level of protection for the cyber stalkers, saying that
revealing their identities is illegal, since it might inhibit their right to
post threats and slanders anonymously.  They have even blocked police in
several instances from getting the names of perverts sending rape and
assault threats to woman over the internet.

The point is that you still can post anonymously if you so desire, but if
you threaten, defame or attack others, you have to be willing to put your
name to your vile posting so that the person harrassed or threatened can
respond through legal channels.  Freedom of speech was never supposed to
allow death threats or other forms of intimidation or to allow rapists to
stalk their prey.

Phil Nisbet


>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "'Phil Nisbet'" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>, <rforce at moscow.com>
>CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Beware, anonymous annoyers!
>Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:54:40 -0800
>
>Simple annoyances by anonymous posters, such as a variety of V2020
>subscribers, are easily handled with the <DELETE> key.
>
>Identifying originators of postings that can be considered true threats can
>be easily identified, and they have been.  I have identified a couple
>originators of a few anonymous postings myself.  It isn't all that
>difficult.
>
>For the US Congress to pursue this matter with legislation at taxpayers'
>expense reeks of pork.  Bush will now have to establish a Department of
>Internet Security, complete with regional offices, all at taxpayer expense.
>How else would the government "monitor" these violations?
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
>safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
>sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly used
>up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of Phil Nisbet
>Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:35 PM
>To: rforce at moscow.com
>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Beware, anonymous annoyers!
>
>Sorry Ron, this is actually a very good idea.  The anon posted flames that
>are slanderous have been impossible to deal with on a lot of boards and the
>anti=slap laws have allowed attacks by certain organizatrions and
>individuals with the person or group slandered unable to take any sort of
>action.  Yahoo and a number of other outfits will take no action even when
>their own TOS has been grossly violated ,est they run up against suits to
>protect anon posters, regardless of the blatant nature of their slanders.
>
>The person you refer to can still post their flames, they just have to be
>wiling to post them with who they are open to the rest of the world.
>
>Phil Nisbet
>
>
> >From: "Ron Force" <rforce at moscow.com>
> >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: [Vision2020] Beware, anonymous annoyers!
> >Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:18:28 -0800
> >
> >
> >It's illegal to annoy
> >
> >A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet, you
> >must disclose your identity. Here's the relevant language.
> >
> >"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate
> >telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted,
> >in
> >whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and
> >with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who
>receives
> >the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more
> >than two years, or both."
> >
> >Declan McCullagh-
> >"...It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a
> >prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail
> >messages without disclosing your true identity.
> >
> >In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog
>as
> >long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small favors,
>I
> >guess.
> >
> >This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet,
>is
> >buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of Justice
> >Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years
> >in
> >prison."
> >
> >Read the rest at:
> >http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6024695.html?tag=nl.e589
> >
> >**********************************************
> >Ron Force          Moscow ID USA
> >rforce at moscow.com
> >**********************************************
> >
> >
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