[Vision2020] Eavesdropping

Tue Feb 28 11:59:23 PST 2006

Good Lord Phil. You think because the Feds were watching you when you were 
an activist entails an impeachable offense?

I've had to shoulder my way through Feds during the 80's when they were 
watching the activists demonstrating against Forest Service timber harvest 
plans in the Nez Perce Natl. Forest. They were there because wacko-pinkos 
like you some times go to far and endanger others lives and it was Federal 
ground. in that environment stories whirl around like wildfire. A logging 
comrade infiltrated the Picko's defenses (we were as hippy looking as them) 
just because they had some good looking women in their group. All-in-all it 
was great fun and baiting the Marshals was just a part of the time.

Our founding fathers specifically made it our duty to protect the 
Constitution and Bill of Rights from a government that misuses their power. 
To not defend our country from this government is the moral crime.

James

>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:05:24 -0800
>
>James
>
>Not to put too fine a point on it, having been spied on by the Clinton 
>Administration, having been threatened by officials of the Clinton Justice 
>Department for organizing rallies and opposition to their policies and even 
>having had the pleasure of mobilization of BATF and Marshals to "surround" 
>my home, I think I can safely say that a lot of pretty stupid things 
>happened that were very actionable during the Clinton Years.
>
>When I organized a 2000 person Rally in Salmon during the Central Idaho 
>Forest Injunction, attended by not only the town folk, but also every 
>single employee of the BLM and USFS, the DOJ tapped my phone without 
>warrant, called BLM personnel and threatened their jobs for any association 
>with me, though I was working with them at the time to improve habitat, 
>warned USFS folks who were friends that they intended arresting me (Though 
>for the life of me I have no idea what sort of charge other than exercise 
>of free speech could have been levied) and even had a team of armed folks 
>come to Salmon.  When our Senators and Congressmen came up for a follow-up 
>rally that demanded the lifting of the Forest injunction in a car convoy 
>from Boise, Federal Marshals tailed them as possible radical elements.
>
>I did what I normally do.  I got with Dave Crosting of the BLM and we took 
>the BATF and Marshall's guys out for a beer, introduced them around town, 
>let them know that there was no dangerous revolution happening and then hit 
>the phones to DOJ to get them to back off.  The Marshals told us that DOJ 
>had fed them that we were some sort of a Militia Group bent on murdering 
>Federal Employees, yet the picture in the Idaho Falls Post Register (Jerry 
>Brady's paper in Idaho Falls) showed I and the SO of the Salmon National 
>Forest and the local head of BLM doing a power salute together at the very 
>first rally.  Mr. Lipschitz of the DOJ’s Office of Environmental Litigation 
>had claimed that we were marching with a thousand POed ranchers to burn 
>down the offices of the Salmon National Forest, though how he would 
>determine that from DC was hard to figure and where one would find a 
>thousand ranchers in Lemhi County was even harder to determine.
>
>When actual militia types showed up in Salmon trying to exploit the bad 
>vibes created by the Clinton Administration's actions, we threw them out of 
>town.  When militia types bulldozed McKim Creek to make a political 
>statement, destroying salmon redds in the process, I not only pushed to 
>have them prosecuted, testified at the trail that put them in Jail for ten 
>years, I rolled up my sleeves, raised money locally and cleaned the site up 
>(USFS did not have the funds to do so and asked for my help to get the 
>redds back into shape before the fish returned in Spring).  That did not 
>stop the harassment I went through with Peter Lipschitz at DOJ or his 
>counterpart at the Council on Environmental Quality.  I had an FBI file an 
>inch and a half thick by 1998 and I had committed not one illegal act in my 
>life.
>
>And through all of that, James, I held as I do now, that impeachment and 
>hate were a useless response and that revolution and other such talk was a 
>waste of breath.  If one disagrees with a Federal Policy, the proper action 
>is to oppose it in the sphere of politics, to organize fellow voters and to 
>vote the rascals out.  As I told the crazy militia people, take an American 
>flag and Piss on it and grind it into the dust, because that is what any 
>person who talks revolution is really doing.
>
>Phil Nisbet
>
>
>
>>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:25:33 -0800
>>
>>Phil,
>>
>>Clinton was impeached, he just was not removed from office because lying 
>>about an extramarital affair was not a crime worthy of removing him. 
>>However lying to get a war started and illegally spying on the American 
>>people (and lying about this also) are two crimes that are not only 
>>impeachable offenses but are definitely worthy of removal. Is he guilty? 
>>Hell yes. Will he be impeached? Hell no. Why not? Because we have a 
>>pathetic congress that only thinks of their individual wealth 
>>accumulation.
>>
>>I reiterate that this is not about Clinton vs. Bush nor Republican vs 
>>Democrat. The current battle is between the American people and a self 
>>centered government. Impeachment is not enough we need a revolution to 
>>replace this mess and start again with the Constitution once again as our 
>>guiding document.
>>
>>James
>>
>>
>>>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: ophite at gmail.com
>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:20:28 -0800
>>>
>>>Andreas
>>>
>>>Seems to me that is fairly assumptive.  I for one was pretty strongly 
>>>opposed to the impeachment process at the time.  A lot of people in the 
>>>GOP who did not care of many a Clinton Policy were also opposed.  Had 
>>>they not been, Clinton would have been impeached.
>>>
>>>Not all Republicans or conservatives were Clinton haters, that is folks 
>>>who would believe absolutely anything and foam at the mouth for Clinton's 
>>>blood.  I seem to recall any number of liberal Democratic friends who 
>>>said at that time that if the shoe was on the other foot, they would act 
>>>differently and that we should remember the President was the President 
>>>for all Americans.
>>>
>>>Do you see any difference between the Clinton haters who had him plotting 
>>>to kill girls he had slept with and sending Chinese secret agents ;to get 
>>>bribe money or plot to overthrow the government and the folks now who see 
>>>the same crazy thing going down with Bush?
>>>
>>>Reality is that America did not disappear in the last years of the 
>>>Clinton Administration and it will not disappear in the last years of the 
>>>Bush one either.  All the talk of revolution then was hot air and the 
>>>same is true now.  Heck I would be glad to pull up some of the 1940's 
>>>stuff that was going around screaming the exact same thing about FDR.  
>>>Its been 65 years since those rants about Imperial Presidencies and war 
>>>mongering and destroying our rights and shock and amazement, America is 
>>>actually freer now than then.
>>>
>>>Phil Nisbet
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
>>>>To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>>>CC: vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Eavesdropping
>>>>Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:45:59 -0800
>>>>
>>>>On 2/27/06, Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Oh, Yes! Lets get someone else who for years will suck up money and 
>>>>come
>>>> > up with no real answers...it is a great system for using up funds 
>>>>that
>>>> > aren't needed somewhere else!
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>Funny. That doesn't seem to have been your opinion when it was a 
>>>>pointless
>>>>investigation of Clinton that was the issue.
>>>>
>>>>-- ACS
>>>
>>>
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