[Vision2020] The Trouble With Doug
g. crabtree
jampot at adelphia.net
Tue Feb 21 13:08:19 PST 2006
OK, J and others, since I've been informed by the lists resident genius that
the only implement I have available in my arsenal is a hammer, let's use it
to pound down your specious "reasons." (again)
tax evasion- St. Mary's school, The Mormon institute, the Seven Day
Adventist school, the Church of the Nazarene, St Marks, Emmanuel Lutheran
Church & day care, the Unitarian Universalist Church of the Palouse, etc.
etc. etc. all are tax exempt organizations. CC, Logos and the rest are
taking advantage of the same tax status as all the others. If you would like
to make an argument to remove the exemption from everyone and create a
totally flat playing field then ,as a property owner, I am more then willing
to listen. To selectively apply exemptions is discriminatory.
Illegal activities- Just because you declare something to be illegal does
not make it so. A quick review of the MPD blotter and Latah Co. district
court records do not reveal any serious charges leveled against any of the
"big-wigs " that you mention, let alone convictions. Until convicted,
statements such as yours are reckless and come perilously close to
slander/libel.
Promotion to lie- To take anything from what is obviously a rabid hate web
site and declare it to be the unvarnished truth and make it the basis for
your tirade is ridiculous. Please reread paragraph two.
Open contempt- OK I'll give ya that one but after a quick walkabout on his
web site it's hard not to come to the conclusion that the "all around
renaissance man" is a pompous tool. Contemptible? probably not. Over
inflated ? Definitely.
Character assassination- take a long hard look at your comrade Wayne Fox to
see a master at work. Oh kettle, pot calling. where are ye, ya dusky
bastard!
Open denial & blaming others-If you say that murderous blackguard G.
Crabtree shot our beloved President Reagan and I say weren't me, It was John
W. Hinckley am I not guilty of the same thing?
Wal Mart Super Store-Promoting free enterprise. My that Wilson is a
dangerous free thinker. Advocating low wage, dead end jobs with no health
care for his lil' minions or sneaking in his own chosen to snap up precious
jobs "before anyone else" which is it? If you could pick an argument and
stick with it your tirade would seem less, well, disorganized is a
charitable way of putting it I suppose.
Buying up downtown-My favorite. A man has a building that he wants to sell
or rent. A man/group has money that they are willing to pay. Before CC we
used to call this commerce or free trade. Post CC we call it a nefarious
plot to subvert our community. And to think he will come right out and say
it. wow, He's not even good at keeping his hidden agenda, hidden.
Well J, I guess you are going to have to sign me up for a white cane and a
guide dog for the smoke has truly robbed me of my sight but I won't be
quaking and quivering with fear that Doug's coming for "my comfy space." If
he does, we'll talk it over like reasonable people, come to an agreement,
shake hands and part. Forgive me if I don't come to you for advise in the
matter. You seem just the tiniest bit bitter.
Love always,
G. Crabtree
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Trouble With Doug
> Ok, Pat and others, let's list the reasons (again!) why Doug Wilson and
> his bunch should be under the microscope:
>
> Tax evasion - WE pick up the bill for those, such as CC, Logos, Atlas,
> NSA, Doug and any other Wilsonista that refuses to pay their fair share.
> I realize as non-property owners such as yourselves, this means very
> little to you. But, in the long run it means higher sales tax, higher
> retail property tax,
> higher gas tax, etc for EVERYone in the state. Hey, they gotta make up
> the difference somehow. Try looking at the legislative activity for this
> year and see the conflict going on there about this very issue.
>
> Illegal activities - such as the gambling house run out of Roy Atwood's
> home, the boarding homes run out of not only the homes of the followers
> but Doug, Roy, Dale, and other "big-wigs" in the organizaton. They don't
> pay ANY tax on those monies which range from $300-375/NSA kid in their
> home with an AVERAGE of 3kids/home. I know of one in particular that has
> 7 NSA kids living in it.
>
> The promotion to lie to the authorities, including the IRS - check out
> this sight again: http://dougsplotch.com/blackjack.htm. Doug OPENLY
> councils a follower to break the law and LIE to the IRS about doing it!
>
> The open contempt and character assissignation of those whom have left -
> all you gotta do is check out poohsthink.com and
> http://patrickpoole.blogspot.com to see this going on.
>
> Open denial and blaming of others - Doug is very adept at putting the
> blame for HIS actions onto others:
> http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=1998&Data=3003#posts
>
> What bewilders me is his ability to get people to excuse his excusing by
> claiming HIS claim of being an apostle and now a "professor" (when did he
> get his PhD? and from where in what?) But the fact that not ONE of the
> elders whose feet Doug laid this botched letter at, has had the manhood to
> stand up and say "Hey, wait a minute - that was YOU that did that." Not
> ONE! Guess the thought of loosing all those NSA student monies is more
> than they are willing to risk.
>
> WalMart's Super Store - Out of the blue, CC/Doug is claimiing that the new
> super store that WalMart wants in here is a GREAT idea...yeah, I would
> promote a business that personaly offers gains to an organization that I
> am running too. But to do it on the premise that "it'll help the poor"?
> Get real! I am poor and the only benefit I see happening is more NSA
> students will be able to get jobs before anyone else. (This has NOTHING
> to do with the WalMart's manager - he is not the problem. His managers of
> certain departments, however, are.)
>
> Buying of downtown - CC/Doug is buying any and all buildings they can
> downtown and continues to move NSA students in/out of them like checkers.
> What they can't buy,they rent. The west 6th building was being used as a
> sub-NSA classroom until the heat got to be a bit much and they closed that
> down recently. His goal is to take over the downtown area and put in his
> "kingdom". It is a goal he promoted at the HOH's and at church
> repeatedly.
>
> So claim all you want that things Doug and the Wilsonistas are doing does
> not affect you. Be as blind as you want to be - while it affects the rest
> of us, I am sure your comfy space will remain so - until Doug wants it for
> his own, of course.
>
> BUT, do not claim this is religious persecution. It is not, has not and
> will not ever be about that. Smoke screens only work in westerns...and on
> people who refuse to understand the whole and bigger picture.
>
>
> J :]
>
>
>
>
>>From: Joan Opyr <joanopyr at moscow.com>
>>To: Vision2020 Moscow <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Trouble With Doug, or Theocratic Park III
>>Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:08:49 -0800
>>
>>
>>On 19 Feb 2006, at 15:29, Pat Kraut wrote:
>>
>>>The truth is that you do not know or understand anything about me or how
>>>I
>>>feel about CC or anything else and it is arrogant of you to think you
>>>do!! I
>>>do not know Doug Wilson nor have I ever attended his services I have
>>>however
>>>read one or two history books and this type of attack on ANY church or
>>>group
>>>no matter how much we do not approve of them is a very slippery slope. '
>>
>>I wrote what I wrote, Pat, in response to your unfounded and unsupported
>>assumptions about the critics of Christ Church and Doug Wilson. Anyone
>>can claim religious persecution; it's a very handy trump card. If I'm
>>caught doing 75 in a 35 zone, and the cop who pulls me over is a
>>fundamentalist Christian who believes that the Jews are collectively
>>guilty of killing Christ, am I the victim of religious persecution? Or am
>>I just speeding? Doug Wilson is a serial zoning offender. New St.
>>Andrews has been located in three different places in Moscow, each time
>>without zoning permission, and each time in a zone which forbade
>>educational institutions. Is calling this to the City's attention and
>>asking for redress religious persecution? If so, how? If you're a
>>pastor, are you above the law?
>>
>>(On a related note, I see that Cardinal Bernard Law has finally been
>>removed from his position in the Catholic Church. Golden parachute;
>>dishonorable retirement. How long was justice in coming there? The man
>>ought to be in jail for his part in covering up and moving around
>>pedophile priests. Do you think the fact that he's not playing the spoons
>>in Sing-Sing might have something to do with his being a priest?)
>>
>>Why should churches (bearing in mind that anything can call itself a
>>church) be exempt from public scrutiny? What threatens your religious
>>freedom more, Pat -- my questioning of Doug Wilson's tax exemptions or Jim
>>Bakker's PTL Club, the cult at Tyler, Texas, and the Bhagwan Shree
>>Rajneesh? Would you defend any of those three? Would you argue that
>>those investigations marked the beginning of a "slippery slope" to
>>religious persecution? If you can't or you won't, then perhaps you might
>>explain how having a look-see at the Wilson empire's finances, business
>>practices, and tax exemptions is a slippery slope leading to religious
>>persecution.
>>
>>You are quite correct to say that I know very little about you, Pat, but
>>then you know demonstrably little about Doug Wilson. It would behoove you
>>to learn more, especially if you're planning to continue offering up
>>half-baked defenses of the pastor's bad (and perhaps illegal) behavior.
>>
>>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>>www.joanopyr.com
>>
>>PS: On a completely unrelated topic, Sunil wants to know why you think
>>we're in Iraq. I do wish you'd give him an answer -- any answer. Make
>>something up if you have to. Hell! What am I saying?! I suggest we have
>>a competition. Let's ALL make up a reason for being in Iraq. Here's
>>mine: we had to invade somewhere and Iran was closed for nuclear repair.
>>
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