[Vision2020] Petition
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 17 19:54:51 PST 2006
With the below in mind I will tell you that I talked to mall management,
mall occupants and managers - specifically to the stores in question,
including Mr. Hunter, whom I talked to last year when he first moved to his
new spot (we really like his candy) - before I made my post. Also, since we
were at the mall today, I talked to the Sam Goody people - they will be
closing up in about 6 weeks; their closures ACROSS THE COUNTRY are due to a
buy-out that occurred a few years ago and the subsequent slow-down of
purchases of "pre-recorded" music/films.
verification: http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2003/01/09/31604.php
It has not been decided as to who/what will be moving into THAT space, but
several stores have applied. The decision will be made sometime before the
end of summer, this year (mall management, again.)
J :]
>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Petition
>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:20:27 -0800
>
>Pat, et al,
>
>Many years ago when I was very poor, I worked as a Tech I for the Minnesota
>Department of Highways. At one time I was assigned to a construction
>survey team. It was actually a very good job, paying decently, outside,
>and with a crew boss with a real work ethic. The taxpayers got their
>money's worth out of us. Often we ran instead of walked in pursuit of our
>tasks.
>
>On occasion we needed to work on Saturdays in the summertime. The crew
>boss had commitments for Saturday afternoons (read "golf") which meant we
>started work at 3:30 AM to accommodate his schedule.
>
>Since I was poor and had no car, I had to catch a ride on a bus at 2:10 AM
>in the morning in downtown Minneapolis about an hour's walk from where I
>was living. There was generally the same bunch of middle-aged and older
>riders on the bus, all of whom seem to know each other well.
>
>The conversation went something like this.
>
>Rider A: They say Eisenhower was a communist.
>Rider B: Yep.
>Rider C: Um-Hummm!
>
>[Pause]
>
>Rider D: They say Kennedy is a communist.
>Rider B: Yep.
>Rider C: Um-Hummm!
>
>[Pause]
>
>Rider E: They say Hubert Humphrey is a communist.
>Rider B: Yep.
>Rider C: Um-Hummm!
>
>[Pause]
>
>Etc ...
>
>Pat Kraut says: "I was told that Northwest gifts (sic) left because of rent
>and so did hunters (sic)."
>
>Request to Pat (and certain others):
>
>If you wish for people to believe what you say, then please give your
>sources and their credentials/titles/etc so that V 2020 readers can
>evaluate the probability of the truth of your remarks, especially since in
>this case you are disputing the accuracy of another poster's statements who
>apparently did some research. Its not that I don't believe you, but I have
>no way of assessing the worth of the information you contribute without
>knowing something about from whence it came.
>
>I noticed earlier today a post from Donovan making a bunch of statements
>about the PEM and some of its occupants. That post did not mention any
>sources and was contradictory to other information which I believe has a
>high probability of being true, hence I drew my own conclusions.
>
>However, Pat before you get your shooting irons out and head out to Saddle
>Ridge steaming with eyes ablaze, I do not equate you with Donovan. Though
>you and I have different worldviews and very different life experiences, I
>believe that you are basically an honest, good-hearted person. I have
>noticed that some of your actual observations on the local scene,
>particularly about traffic and law enforcement problems, agree with mine.
>
>It is just that in my dotage, I need all the help I can get to determine
>the truth of statements that I might sometime have to depend upon for my
>words and/or actions.
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>deco at moscow.com
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Petition
>
>
>>I agree with the wonderment of wanting to put in a Super anything when the
>>mall has not been able to keep corp stores because they don't make enough.
>>I
>>was told that Northwest gifts left because of rent and so did hunters. I
>>know of local owners who were forced out so that they could bring in corps
>>years ago it isn't anything new. Yes, every few years they go through it
>>all
>>again...so, I am not sure what Walmart sees that makes them want to put in
>>a
>>new store of any size.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:04 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Petition
>>
>>
>>First of all, Hunter's Candy left PM a while ago, not because of the rent
>>but because Mr. Hunter wanted to be able to be closed on Sundays and the
>>mall management did not like that idea. If stores are in the mall, they -
>>by contract - have to be open whenever the mall is open. He also says
>>there
>>many issues that had been unresolved for years that he simply did not want
>>to have to deal with anymore; so when his countract came up for renewal,
>>he
>>chose to leave.
>>
>>Marketplace Gifts left due to a lack of sales; "The last couple of years
>>were not good." Their coroporate offices are in trouble, as are a lot of
>>businesses around the country, and the decision to close "the smaller
>>stores
>>around the country" was made. The Spokane stores have closed or are in
>>the
>>process of closing, as well.
>>
>>There are already two/three stores asking about that space. No decisions
>>have been made, but it could be another gift store or a plus-size women's
>>clothing store will go in there.
>>
>>Winco may not be accessable to the bus riders, but only because the bus no
>>longer goes through the mall lot - NOT because of anything that Winco
>>did/didn't do.
>>
>>And I just talked to the mall office - the PM is NOT up for sale. "Its
>>just
>>a rumor. No truth to it." Take that for what its worth.
>>
>>With very few exceptions, most of the stores in the mall are NOT locally
>>owned - they are part of a chain or corporation.
>>
>>Like I said before, malls go through change all the time. I remember
>>five/six years ago, PM went through this same turn-over routine. It
>>simply
>>happens.
>>
>>
>>
>>J :]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>>>To: Bruce and Jean Livingston <jeanlivingston at turbonet.com>,
>>>vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Petition
>>>Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:05:29 -0800 (PST)
>>>
>>>Bruce,
>>>
>>> The reason the Mall is losing stores is because the owners are trying
>>>to
>>>sell it. So they are jacking up their rent on locally owned shops,
>>>banning
>>>local businesses from contracting with them and giving longer and
>>>cheaper
>>>contracts with large corporate chain stores. This increases the value
>>>and
>>>appeal of the Mall to the buyer.
>>>
>>> The locally owned businesses, like Marketplace Gifts and Hunter's
>>>Candy
>>>are not leaving because of lack of sales, they are leaving because the
>>>owners raise their rent every month until they find it ridiculously
>>>priced
>>> to stay there. After the Mall removes the locally owned businesses, it
>>>re-contracts the space to chain store, like Ross.
>>>
>>> I am surprised that all these people attacking Wal-Mart and pretending
>>>to care about locally owned businesses do not care local businesses are
>>>being squeezed out of their territory in favor of big chain
>>>corporations.
>>>Win-co is also no longer accessible to those that need the bus--often
>>>those that need the lower grocery prices most.
>>>
>>> Take Care,
>>>
>>> _DJA
>>>
>>>Bruce and Jean Livingston <jeanlivingston at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>Assuming arguendo that what you were "told" has a basis in fact, isn't
>>>it
>>>just as likely, more likely, that the reason that the share-owners in a
>>>retail-based business (that owns and operates the mall and is all about
>>>making money) fear that a Super Wal-Mart may impact their business and
>>>make it less profitable, and therefore that it is time to get out now
>>>(sell the mall), before vacancies in the mall become greater and the
>>>business they are trying to sell goes down further in value?
>>>
>>> Bruce Livingston
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>> To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Petition
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>| No, I am saying that we don't have a good reputation towards business
>>>and it
>>>| is spreading...did you know the mall was for sale? I was told that
>>>they
>>>had
>>>| 'read the handwriting on the wall' and I believe it could very well
>>>be
>>>true.
>>>|
>>>| ----- Original Message -----
>>>| From: <joekc at adelphia.net>
>>>| To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>>>| Cc: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>| Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:52 PM
>>>| Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Petition
>>>|
>>>|
>>>| Is the suggestion that businesses are leaving the mall because some
>>>folks
>>>| don't want a Super Wal-Mart in town? I just don't get it.
>>>|
>>>| --
>>>| Joe Campbell
>>>|
>>>| ---- Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>|
>>>| =============
>>>| Today I needed to buy a red shirt for a granddaughter who will
>>>perform
>>>at
>>>| the jazz festival and has already outgrown her red Christmas shirt.
>>>| Gottschalks was the only store in town with anything red in her size.
>>>If had
>>>| more time I'd be going to Spokane. There are so many stores in the
>>>mall
>>>| closing that I wonder what it will look like in the future. Are we
>>>going to
>>>| get a boarded up mall? Do any of you know that the mall is for sale
>>>by
>>>its
>>>| management company? The attitude toward business here is going to
>>>shut
>>>us
>>>| down not save us from anything.
>>>|
>>>|
>>>| ----- Original Message -----
>>>| From: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
>>>| To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>| Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:24 PM
>>>| Subject: [Vision2020] Petition
>>>|
>>>|
>>>| I went into Wal-Mart today, and there was a young lady sitting at a
>>>| table soliciting those who entered to sign her petition for a
>>>Wal-Mart
>>>| Supercenter. I take this as an indication that Wal-Mart is feeling
>>>| the heat.
>>>|
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