[Vision2020] Life after death

[J Ford]

Em, I'm gonna have to disagree with you here....the fact that Jesus was 
visited by Moses, David, et al on the Mount of Transfiguration dictates that 
they went to Heaven after their death.  I also believe that David speaks 
often of wanting to die and be with God...could be mistaken on that, but I 
believe the Psalms are full of such speak.

And does it not state that the Three are in Heaven and that Lucifer travels 
between earth and Heaven, like during the time of Job?

I don't see God condemning those before the NT to no life after death - 
otherwise, what was the point of the sacrifices, etc.?  It was the 
"cleansing of sins" before Jesus did it for us permanently.

Just my thoughts.


J  :]





>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu>, Vision2020 at moscow.com
>CC: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Life after death
>Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 21:18:57 -0800 (PST)
>
>Ralph,
>
>   I would imagine very few went to Heaven during the time of the Old 
>Testament, as it is virtually impossible to get into Heaven without Christ, 
>and He hadn't even been born yet. I kind of think that was the point of his 
>visit.
>
>   Happy New Year,
>
>   Donovan J Arnold
>
>Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu> wrote:
>   This sounds more like a retort than a reply, Donovan. Did you have to
>do some consulting before you wrote it?
>
>My question was, "How many people died and went to heaven in the
>Hebrew Bible (Old Testament to Xians)?" This is not a theological
>question, just a matter of fact.
>
>Ralph (who actually reads the Bible)
>
>
>
>Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>Thu Dec 28 16:22:29 PST 2006
>
>Ralph,
>
>Everyone has an afterlife, regardless of if you believe in God or
>not and regardless of if there is a God or not. Every person leaves
>something behind.
>
>Happy New Year,
>
>Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>Ralph Nielsen wrote:
>
>What a strange message, Donovan. You claim that 95% of the population
>of this country "believe in a God and afterlife", presumably
>including those who take an oath of office but "they just do what
>they do for $$$$$, not for the interests of the people they are
>suppose[d] to be serving." Or are the politicians the 5% to whom
>"number three doesn't mean anything"?
>
>Don't you know, Donovan, that believing in God doesn't necessarily
>entail belief in an afterlife? Haven't you read the Bible? Some weeks
>ago I asked "heirdoug" to tell us how many people died and went to
>heaven in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament to Xians). He said he was
>"working on it" but he still hasn't told us the answer. Maybe you can.
>
>Back to the Bible!
>
>Ralph
>
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