[Vision2020] [CORRECTED LINK] Give Devoted Military a Worthwhile War to Fight

[Tony]

Tom, add all your organizations opposed to the war together and you have a 
minority of vets overall.  My point stands.

Best,  -T
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
To: "'Tony'" <tonytime at clearwire.net>; "'keely emerinemix'" 
<kjajmix1 at msn.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [CORRECTED LINK] Give Devoted Military a Worthwhile War to 
Fight


> Just a few of the many, ToeKnee -
>
> Veterans Against the Iraqi War
> http://www.vaiw.org
>
> Iraq Veterans Against the War
> http://www.ivaw.net
>
> Vietnam Veterans Against the War
> http://www.vvaw.org
>
> Veterans for Peace
> http://www.veteransforpeace.org
>
> I could go on and on, ToeKnee, but it would be like kicking a dead horse.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
> "Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the 
> tranquil
> and steady dedication of a lifetime."
>
> --Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Tony
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:11 AM
> To: keely emerinemix
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Give Devoted Military a Worthwhile War to Fight
>
> Keely, although the relationship to Tom of said brother is not pertinent 
> to
> the point I made, still it was an oversight and I apologize for it.
>
> My comment about Tom's defeatism was in reference to his conviction that 
> we
> cannot win in Iraq.  It was accurate based on his ongoing opposition to 
> the
> mission our troops overwhelmingly support.  You advise me that Tom 
> deserves
> gratitude for having served.  I have never challenged that assertion - 
> I've
> in fact commended him for his service, but that does not mean he is
> necessarily any more astute than the bulk of his fellow vets who disagree
> with his far left politics.  We all have experience and perspective and an
> equal right to freedom of expression.  Of course simply having lived 
> through
>
> a certain situation does not guarantee one will reach a logical and just
> conclusion as to its resolution - that relies more on an ability to
> recognize and consider subtle distinctions, rather than first hand
> experience alone.
>
> You insist that Cheney's change of mind on Iraq indicates a change in the
> neocon mind.  You fail entirely to address the possibility that the world
> geopolitical landscape can change dramatically over the course of the 14
> years between Cheney's statement and our invasion.  Those who are friendly
> one decade may become a threat later, those who are a threat now may 
> become
> an asset under certain circumstances later.  It is unfair for you to apply 
> a
>
> statement made by Cheney 14 years ago regarding a certain regime, to a
> situation faced today.
>
> Happy New Year.              -T
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> To: <tonytime at clearwire.net>; <thansen at moscow.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Give Devoted Military a Worthwhile War to Fight
>
>
>> Unless I'm reading it wrong, it's the columnist's brother, not Tom's.
>>
>> But that's not the only thing you got wrong, Tony.  Tom Hansen is not a
>> defeatist.  He has guts and with his military service he's earned the
>> right to our gratitude -- as well as having earned a platform of
>> experience and perspective from which to criticize wrongdoing.
>>
>> His frequent citing of Dick Cheney's comment on "a classic definition of
>> 'quagmire'" is an important reminder that "something" has changed in the
>> neocon mind regarding justification of this war.  The question continues
>> to be what that something is, and if the change in strategy it wrought
>> came from valid reasons.  I contend that it didn't.
>>
>> keely
>>
>>
>> From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>> To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Give Devoted Military a Worthwhile War to Fight
>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 12:20:36 -0800
>>
>> Nice try Tom, but the difference between you and your brother is that you
>> are a defeatist who has no faith in our military while your brother 
>> thinks
>> he can accomplish what he is tasked with.
>>
>> If the American people listen to the likes of you, we will withdraw in
>> shame
>> and defeat to the glee of our enemies.  If they listen to the likes of
>> your
>> brother, we will likely achieve our objective to the dismay of our
>> enemies.
>>
>> I wish him well.
>>
>> Best,  -T
>
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