[Vision2020] Reply to Metzler & Mix on imprecatory prayer

[J Ford]

Doug J:

Those that died FOR GOD were the ones presenting those prayers.  You guys 
are not dieing for God or for His Word - you are the one's killing it by 
perverting His Word and calling it good.  To equate what you do with the 
people who died in the lion's arena is just wrong and sinful.  You should be 
ashamed of yourselves, but given that you have no clear idea just how and 
why you are wrong - I know you won't be.



J  :]





>From: "Taro Tanaka" <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Reply to Metzler & Mix on imprecatory prayer
>Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:45:02 +0000
>
>Keely, perhaps I can help clarify this point for you. The Book of 
>Revelation
>is vey revealing indeed in this respect. Consider:
>
>1) Jesus says twice in this book that He HATES the Nicoliatans.
>
>2) The book reveals to us a worship scene in Heaven, taking place in the
>immediate presence of God. There "I saw under the altar the souls of them
>that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
>and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true,
>dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"
>Does that sound to you like an imprecatory prayer? It does to me. In the 
>one
>place where the Greek scriptures show us by far the most detailed
>description of worship, imprecatory prayer is part of that worship. The
>prayer is offered up by human beings -- the disembodied souls of martyrs, 
>to
>be sure, but they are no omniscient than we are -- and they are calling for
>God's vengeance upon certain evil men who have persecuted Christ's church.
>Moreover, later we see God responding to this imprecatory prayer and doing
>exactly what was requested of Him: ". . . Rejoice over [Babylon], thou
>heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
>And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into
>the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown
>down, and shall be found no more at all . . . And in her was found the 
>blood
>of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. And
>after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying,
>Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our
>God: for true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great
>whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged
>the blood of his servants at her hand. And again they said, Alleluia . . .
>And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his
>servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. And I heard as it 
>were
>the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the
>voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent
>reigneth."
>
>So there we have it: imprecatory prayer offered by people, and answered by
>God, in the very model of Christian worship given to us by the Greek
>scriptures. And it is a model for us, because Jesus Himself taught us, "Thy
>will be done in earth, as it is in Heaven." Worship is the Christian's
>warfare, and imprecatory prayers are part of our arsenal. If that causes 
>you
>to stumble as a Christian, I shall be praying for God to work in your heart
>with His Holy Spirit so that you will be able to mature to accept the
>entirety of His truth.
>
>And please remember, I have not forgotten the parts of the Bible that say
>things like "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them
>that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute
>you" and "Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not," etc. But 
>we
>need to come to an understanding of the Bible that is able to 
>simultaneously
>comprehend the God-given reality of warfare through imprecatory prayer on
>the one hand, and praying for he salvation of enemies on the other. When
>properly understood, these two things are not mutually exclusive or
>contradictory. Not in the least.
>
>-- Princess Sushitushi
>
>"keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> >RE:  Your last paragraph
> >
> >Nope.  Not clear at all.
> >
> >keely
> >(by His grace, a follower of the Prince of Peace)
> >
> >
> >From: "Taro Tanaka" <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com>
> >
> >I hope and pray that it is clear the Bible not only
> >allows but demands the right use of imprecatory prayer.
> >
> >-- Princess Sushitushi
>
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