[Vision2020] Mass Slaughter in Vietnam?

[Tony]

Nick, we can use your term to describe the multitudes killed after we left 
Vietnam.

MANY.

There - are you happy?  This of course does not include those tortured in 
the manner you describe.

If you intend to make wild claims as to the numbers of deaths due to Agent 
Orange and leftover munitions, it would behoove you to site your dated 
source - certainly before lecturing another on the matter of accuracy.  Your 
"hazarding a guess" will hardly substitute for scholarly research.

As Mark has pointed out, your vacation to Cambodia 4 years ago hardly makes 
you an expert on the desires of the Cambodian people, a people you yourself 
acknowledge bear at least a 50% responsibility for the killing fields.

If your information regarding Iraq is similarly thrown together, one can 
only "hazard a guess" as to its accuracy.

Jingle all the way,      -T
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:17 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] Mass Slaughter in Vietnam?


> Greetings:
>
> Some more really wild claims from down the hill, this time about Vietnam. 
> Where is the evidence for mass slaughter in Vietnam after we left?  Yes, 
> many were sent to reeducation camps, and many of those fleeing lost their 
> lives to pirates in the South China Sea.
>
> More people are being killed, maimed, and born malformed by leftover 
> munitions and Agent Orange than ever lost their lives at the hands of the 
> Communist regime.  I would also hazard to guess that we killed more 
> Vietnamese (at least one million) than the Viet Cong ever would have 
> killed if we had not intervened.
>
> Before we invaded Cambodia, the country was stable and ruled by Prince 
> Sihanouk, who, along with his wife, are now King and Queen of Cambodia. 
> (When I was there in 2002, their pictures were everywhere.) Our invasion, 
> plus support for right-wing thugs, alienated the people and forced them 
> right into the hands of the Khmer Rouge.
>
> The Killing Fields are just as much our responsibility as theirs.  The 
> great irony of course is that Communist Vietnamese troops defeated the 
> Khmer Rouge, and the UN had one of greatest successes in making elections 
> possible there.
>
> The Johns Hopkins report on Iraqi causalities, which looked at every 
> single death certificate (90 percent of households surveyed produced one), 
> showed that a majority of deaths occurred by coalition air strikes.  This 
> survey was done before the upsurge in sectarian killings, mainly in 
> Baghdad.  Taking the low end of their estimates at 400,000 dead, it would 
> take Shias and Sunnis a very long time to top Bush's slaughter.
>
> Yours for accurate history,
>
> Nick Gier
>
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