[Vision2020] Adulterous PerjurerSwarmed in Hanoi
Tony
tonytime at clearwire.net
Sat Dec 9 10:16:57 PST 2006
Art, you have yet to pursuasively demonstrate that President Bush "cajoled,
misrepresented, and lied in order to justify going to war."
Aside from that glaring false premise, it was an awesome posting.
Happy holidays. -T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moral Culpability [ was:Adulterous PerjurerSwarmed
in Hanoi]
> The worst part of Clinton's expression of his sexual proclivities was his
> willful perjury afterwards, certainly a real moral failing, in my opinion.
>
> However, as many have pointed out: There is a huge difference in moral
> culpability between lying under oath about a blow job given and received
> by
> consenting adults, one of them married, and cajoling, misrepresenting, and
> lying in order to justify going to war with its horrendous consequences.
>
> A few of the major differences between the moral seriousness of the two
> actions is that in the latter:
>
> 1. Hundreds of thousands of people, most of them non-combatants, many
> of
> them children, have been slain,
>
> 2. Millions, many of them children, have been burned, maimed, or
> otherwise wounded,
>
> 3. A major economy was all but destroyed,
>
> 4. The flow of oil to the world was reduced (which we are now paying
> for
> with increased gasoline prices),
>
> 5. Major parts of the entire Iraqi infrastructure have been destroyed
> or
> severely damaged with its disastrous consequences for human suffering,
>
> 6. Iraq is now in a civil/religious sectarian war likely to go on and
> on
> without resolution like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,
>
> 7. The ability of Islamic terrorists to recruit for and finance their
> operations have been greatly increased (the exact opposite effect desired
> by
> most Americans),
>
> 8. Billions of dollars have been spent on this misplanned,
> mis-motivated
> expedition which could have been spent in our own country and/or spent to
> help make the world a better place for many others besides ourselves, and
> without leaving our progeny to pay for the cost of this egregious,
> mind-numbing folly,
>
> 9. The image, power, prestige of our country has been irretrievably
> tarnished beyond redemption worldwide, and
>
> 10. The faith of the American people in the ability of the office of the
> President to make honest, forthright decisions after a judicious review
> and
> critique of information has been greatly, perhaps forever, foundered.
>
> Personally, if instead of his atrocious human suffering causing blunders,
> Bush would have had a blow job from a different person every day of his
> term
> and lied about all of them under oath instead of lying and misrepresenting
> us into this war, the world would be a much better, more secure, safer,
> more
> humane place in my heathen opinion.
>
>
> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> deco at moscow.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> To: <tonytime at clearwire.net>; <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>;
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>
>
>> For the record, I believe that marriage vows are of the utmost
>> importance.
>> I don't believe, however, that millions of dollars should have been spent
>> investigating what surely isn't the only instance of adultery -- and once
>> again, I'm against adultery -- by a President.
>>
>> keely
>>
>>
>> From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>> To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 20:19:32 -0800
>>
>> J, your response to my criticism of Bill Clinton's adultery is just plain
>> sick. Why are you and Keely so glib about Clinton's decision to break
>> the
>> vows he took to his wife before God? Why does his commission of a felony
>> cause you no concern? How would you feel had your husband done the same?
>> Have you no grasp of right and wrong?
>>
>> Fascinating!
>>
>> -T
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>>
>>
>> > Ah yes, but giving Tony that kind of "action" would only encourage his
>> > bloated-sense-of-self-worth-to-women a big, em, thrust.
>> >
>> > 'Course, no one said anything about it having to be a women that does
>> > the
>> > deed...could be an intern that accommodates his more baser needs, which
>> he
>> > continues to express he has, here on the list.
>> >
>> >
>> > J :]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>At the risk of being terribly crude and thus offending some of you,
>> Tony's
>> >>comments remind me of a T-shirt about our president that I saw in a
>> >>catalog
>> >>recently --
>> >>
>> >>"Will someone please give this guy a blowjob so we can impeach him???"
>> >>
>> >>Blushing, but wondering how much shipping and handling would be,
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>> >>To: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>> >>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Adulterous Perjurer Swarmed in Hanoi
>> >>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:38:37 -0800
>> >>
>> >>Nick, in response to your question about where George bush will be
>> swarmed
>> >>by admirers: He will be welcomed anywhere men and woman of character
>> >>are
>> >>valued. Clinton was NOT a man of good character. He boffed an intern,
>> >>making a mockery of his marriage and then committed felony perjury
>> >>afterward. Bush has acted as an honorable gentleman since taking the
>> oath
>> >>of office -- the assessment of his misguided critics notwithstanding.
>> >>
>> >>Hope that helps with your confusion.
>> >>
>> >>Merry Christmas, -T
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: <nickgier at adelphia.net>
>> >>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:42 AM
>> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Clinton Swarmed in Hanoi
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Greetings:
>> >> >
>> >> > Someone on this list predicted that Bush would be swarmed whereever
>> men
>> >>of
>> >> > character are admired. I would like to know where that foreign
>> >> > place
>> >> > would be?
>> >> >
>> >> > Nick Gier
>> >> >
>> >> > Admirers Swarm Former Clinton in Hanoi
>> >> > Wednesday, December 6, 2006 8:08 AM EST
>> >> > The Associated Press
>> >> > By BEN STOCKING
>> >> >
>> >> > HANOI, Vietnam (AP) â?" Former President Clinton was swarmed for
>> >>autographs,
>> >> > handshakes and photographs on the streets of Hanoi Wednesday by
>> throngs
>> >>of
>> >> > admirers whose warm welcome contrasted sharply with the restrained
>> >> > reception given President Bush last month.
>> >> >
>> >> > Clinton, in town to sign an agreement between his foundation and the
>> >> > Vietnamese to get more AIDS drugs to children, left the Hilton Hotel
>> in
>> >> > the center of Hanoi, crossed an intersection buzzing with
>> >> > motorbikes,
>> >>and
>> >> > strolled toward Hoan Kiem Lake, the spiritual heart of the city.
>> >> >
>> >> > The United States normalized relations with its former foe under
>> >>Clinton,
>> >> > who was greeted by adoring crowds when in 2000 he became the first
>> U.S.
>> >> > president to visit Vietnam since the war ended in 1975.
>> >> >
>> >> > "It feels great to be back," Clinton said as he set off for his
>> stroll.
>> >> >
>> >> > The feeling among most Vietnamese was mutual.
>> >> >
>> >> > "I love you!" a young man shouted, reaching over the crowd for a
>> >> > handshake.
>> >> >
>> >> > "There are no words to describe how happy I am," squealed
>> >> > 17-year-old
>> >> > Nguyen Thu Hang, jumping up and down and clutching Clinton's freshly
>> >> > signed autograph. "I'm going to frame this and hang it on my bedroom
>> >> > wall!"
>> >> >
>> >> > Bush didn't emerge from inside tight security to mingle with crowds
>> >>during
>> >> > his four-day visit to attend the 21-nation Asia-Pacific Economic
>> >> > Cooperation summit.
>> >> >
>> >> > Outside of official meetings, the president's touring included a
>> >> > visit
>> >>to
>> >> > Vietnam's stock exchange, where he struck a gong to open a day of
>> >>trading.
>> >> > He then met with a group of Vietnamese and American businessmen.
>> >> >
>> >> > Clinton came to Hanoi to sign an agreement with the Vietnamese
>> >>government
>> >> > under which his Clinton Foundation will increase the amount of
>> >> > pediatric
>> >> > drugs it is providing to Vietnamese children living with HIV and
>> >> > AIDS.
>> >> >
>> >> > The foundation provided medicine for 400 children in 2006, but plans
>> to
>> >> > triple the number of children it is helping by the end of 2007.
>> >> >
>> >> > Followed by Secret Service agents and Vietnamese police, Clinton
>> >> > stopped
>> >> > along a half-mile route to chat with his Vietnamese admirers before
>> >>making
>> >> > his way to an art gallery in Hanoi's Old Quarter and then to the
>> >> > tomb
>> >> > of
>> >> > Ho Chi Minh, who led Vietnam's communist revolution.
>> >> >
>> >> > After he and Health Minister Tran Thi Trung Chien signed the
>> >> > pediatric
>> >> > AIDS agreement, Clinton took part in a discussion about AIDS with
>> >>several
>> >> > university students and a young woman living with HIV.
>> >> >
>> >> > The Vietnamese government estimates that 260,000 Vietnamese people
>> were
>> >> > infected with HIV last year, but public health experts think the
>> actual
>> >> > number is higher. In Vietnam, most infections are linked to
>> intravenous
>> >> > drug use and unprotected sex for money.
>> >> >
>> >> > The Clinton Foundation's activities are being financed by UNITAID,
>> >> > an
>> >> > organization formed by France and 19 other nations that have
>> >> > earmarked
>> >> > a
>> >> > small portion of their airline tax revenues for HIV/AIDS programs in
>> >> > developing countries.
>> >> >
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