[Vision2020] a clearer apology

[heirdoug at netscape.net]

Keely,

I only asked the question because my first or last name was not 
"Visionistas". I took it as a plural form of Visionista and therfore 
not addressed to me personally. Usually an apology is addressed to the 
one offended with a clear "will you forgive me for 'x'". As I was not 
offended in the least by your comments in the first place, having taken 
to heart all of the previous posts to folks with thin skin, I was just 
wanting for you to clarify your apology.

As J. Ford said, You apologize good!

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
To: heirdoug at netscape.net
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020]a clearer apology

Gee, Doug, how 'bout this -- I apologized for biting your head off as 
regards a specific use of words which, it turns out, you didn't come up 
with. "Getting caught" is a non-issue for me; once I wrote it, I'm 
accountable for it, no matter who sees it. 
 
The apology was to you, not to "the fine folks" on Vision 2020. I 
sinned publicly by falsely assuming what I did, and so the only right 
thing to do was to apologize publicly. 
 
I will charitably assume that you're truly confused about the nature of 
my apology, and I hope this clears it up. On the other hand, only you 
know your own heart. I'm just tired of witnessing the outflow thereof. 
 
keely 
 
From: heirdoug at netscape.net 
To: kjajmix1 at msn.com, vision2020 at moscow.com 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] an apology 
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:31:16 -0400 
 
Keely, 
 
I do have one question with regard to the apology you are giving to all 
of the fine folks here. 
 
Am I supposed to extend forgiveness to you for biting my head off or 
for you getting caught biting my head off or for you biting my head off 
without cause knowing that there may be a cause later on? Let me know 
and I will gladly extend it. 
 
Doug! 
 
PS. Oh, J. Ford, I'm still in limbo waiting for Jackie Woolf to grant 
me her forgiveness. Could you let her know. 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: kjajmix1 at msn.com 
To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Sent: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 5:49 PM 
Subject: [Vision2020] an apology 
 
Visionistas, 
 
In my response to Heirdoug after his "I'd rather have a live sodomite 
or 
Iraqi" comment a couple of days ago, I ripped into him for his gross 
insensitivity and his apparent delight in causing offense when none is 
necessary. 
 
Doug then wrote to tell me that the origin of the "sodomites or Iraqis" 
phrase was from an earlier post by another writer -- Doug just repeated 
the 
phrase to indicate by comparison his horror regarding abortion. I found 
the 
phrase itself in the context he used it utterly nauseating in its 
seeming 
devaluing of the lives of ("even") homosexuals and Iraqis. 
 
I was wrong in assuming that the phrase originated with him, and I 
apologize. I made a rush to judgment by presuming that the wording was 
his 
in describing two obvious examples of life he found somehow to be 
"less-than," and I shouldn't have done it. I also know that the 
original 
writer used those words as a rhetorical device to confirm Heirdoug's 
prejudices, and in no way do I feel the disdain for him that I do for 
Doug. 
 
A more carefuly rendered judgment on my part is this: Doug Farris, 
writing 
as Heirdoug, surely must understand that no amount of righteous 
indignation 
over abortion or any other wrong excuses the rash, gleeful, and 
ill-considered comments that he is prone to make. Neither his position 
nor 
the Spirit who informs it is honored by bad behavior that shows the 
kind of 
contempt for others that makes it hard to accept that he truly values 
all 
human life. 
 
So . . . my overall criticism of him stands, but in this case, I blew 
it by 
assuming what I shouldn't have. 
 
keely 
 
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