[Vision2020] Fwd: Is there a correlation between "Fore Gras" Killing Babies!

[Joe Campbell]

I KNOW I've written to much today BUT this is exactly the same problem I have with anti-abortion groups, Donovan: they are all for the rights of the fetus but God forbid if that fetus were to grow up to be an Iraqi or (gasp!) gay. What is the point of having a right to life if you don't also enjoy the liberty to enjoy it?

--
Joe Campbell

---- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote: 

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Tom,
  
  Well isn't being able to choose to eat or not eat an animal being PRO_CHOICE? 
  
  Animal Rights: Are you for the chicken having the right to lay or not lay an egg?
  
  The problem with pro-choice groups is that they only help a woman have  an abortion. They don't help them find the economic means to raise a  child for 18+ years. So they aren't really pro-choice, they are  pro-abortion. Shouldn't planned parenthood be really unplanned  parenthood. I mean, they are planning not to be a parent, not planning  to be one. 
  
  If Tom is for steaks and abortion, that means he is all for torture of fetuses and animals. 
  
  Best,
  
  _DJA

Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:  It is not a matter of being "pro-abortion".  It is a matter of PRO-CHOICE.
I, personally, would NEVER support a group whose singular goal is to force
abortion on a woman when it comes to addressing unwanted pregnancies.

I strongly believe in providing counseling, education, and support to women
with potentially unwanted pregnancies.

As far as the "animal rights" (and "No Clue's" analogy to Pro-Life) versus
abortion issue:  I will give up my medium rare steaks once all pro-lifers
give up eggs (sunny-side up or over easy).

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho 

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly used
up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"


-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Joe Campbell
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 11:28 AM
To: Donovan Arnold
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: Is there a correlation between "Fore Gras"
Killing Babies!

Donovan,

You wrote: "it is illogical to be opposed to the torture of animals and be
for abortion." This is incorrect. 

Some animal rights activists think that animals are persons -- have rights
-- yet also believe that no fetus is a person. You might disagree with this
view (I do) but it is not "illogical." 

Also, it is not illogical to suppose that the prolonged torture of any
animal is wrong but that it is sometimes permissible to kill a fetus, for
instance when the mother's life is in danger. One might hold this view and
be "for abortion" in the sense that one is against making abortion illegal.
This is close to my own view and it is not "illogical."

One last comment which didn't occur to me when I wrote my previous post. It
is silly to talk about being "for abortion" or "against abortion." Abortion
is just the killing of a fetus. No one would ever say that they were "for
killing" and few people are willing to live with the consequences of being
"against killing."

Best, Joe

---- Donovan Arnold  wrote: 

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Doug makes a good point.
  
 If you are opposed to the killing  and/or torture of any animal, which is
the bases for fighting against  eating some types of animals. Why not be
against abortion? Even if it  is not a "human being" to some people's
definitions, it certainly can  feel pain and suffer as it is being aborted.
I don't expect an answer  from that because it is illogical to be opposed to
the torture of  animals and be for abortion.
  
  Best,
  
  _DJA

Andreas Schou  wrote:  On 8/26/06, heirdoug at netscape.net
wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> I'm still wondering if you have had any more thoughts about my
> comparison and my challenge to you, Saundra and Megan and any others
> who still think that human life begins after birth.

Doug --

If there is a moral equivalency between a fetus and an infant, why are
the Biblical punishments for causing the death of an fetus and causing
the death of a child so radically different?

-- ACS

> Time to put your money where your mouth is. It's only $50.00 a month
> and I know that they could use it.
>
> Doug!
>
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