[Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in trouble?

heirdoug at netscape.net heirdoug at netscape.net
Sat Aug 26 17:57:03 PDT 2006 

J.

Please tell me why you are talking about some one else's children. 
Seeing as how you don't have any and you are not Jackie Woolf.

Have you given Jackie my apology? I still live in limbo awaiting her 
forgiveness.

Also, Maybe if you knew how the arena of business worked,... maybe Mr. 
Hoffman is moving out of his old location (end of the month and all) 
and into his newly remodeled location right next to the Red Door and 
closer to Bucers where he gets his coffee. (It was sure a long walk to 
go from one end of town to the other for just a cup of coffee) One can 
never be sure about all of that.

As far as the reconnaissance goes with the moving van. I noticed that 
there are a lot of boxes at the above location. (you know - or maybe 
you don't- that one who actually does engineering work needs to have a 
lot of storage for there paper work.) Could it be that he was moving 
his material over to his newly remodeled office....?

Damn Spy Glass! fogged up again!

Doug

PS. Tom-Tom what was the email address for the state Attorney Generals 
office..?

PPS. Welcome back Michael. Still lonely over at the Wood?

-----Original Message-----
From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in trouble?

Ah, I get it...kids are open game as long as they are not YOUR bairn 
that is
being mentioned or talked about. Or as long as it isnae yer family that 
is
being defamed or their lives being spread (no matter how erroneously) 
all
over the place. YOU get to choose whose bairn are subjected to insults 
and
harassment because some fool mentions their parent(s) or lives on the 
web.

Isnae that what Sitler and Jamin did - pick the bairn that were 
assaulted
and the CC/"pastor" backed them up?

I get it, now.

J :]





>From: "Austin Storm" <austinstorm at gmail.com>
>To: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com, "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>, "J 
Ford"
><privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in trouble?
>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:17:46 -0700
>
>Mr. Campbell,
>
>If J says on this list that she's not Jackie Woolf, I'll apologize.
>
>-Austin
>
>On 8/25/06, Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>>Mr. Storm,
>>
>>You're way over the line. You should never mention the names of 
children
>>in an open forum. To try to justify this by making accusations of 
which
>>you
>>have absolutely no proof is wrong and absurd. Even if everything you 
say
>>about J Ford is true, that hardly justifies your actions.
>>
>>--
>>Joe Campbell
>>
>>---- Austin Storm <austinstorm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>=============
>>Dear Ms. Lund,
>>
>>J Ford is Jackie W. I'm not trying to attack her, I'm trying to 
diffuse
>>her
>>constant attacks by decrying her as a liar.
>>
>>You are saying that you are disturbed that so many people are 
accusing her
>>of being someone she is not, and bringing up personal details of this
>>third
>>person?
>>
>>If J was Jackie, I would apologize for revealing personal details 
about
>>her
>>on V2020. Also if Jackie got back on the list and said that J was not 
her
>>than I would apologize even more profusely for the error. So would 
Doug F,
>>I'm sure.
>>
>>-Austin
>>
>>
>>On 8/25/06, Saundra Lund <sslund at adelphia.net > wrote:
>> >
>> > [My apologies in advance if this shows up twice -- the first seems 
to
>>have
>> >
>> > disappeared into cyberspace. SL]
>> >
>> > Visionaries:
>> >
>> > Is it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's
>>newest
>> > strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children 
(they
>> > aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters?
>> >
>> > To me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and 
downright
>> > creepy
>> > . . . and not just because they've never produced a shred of 
evidence
>>here
>> > to support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one 
and
>>the
>> > same.
>> >
>> > I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's 
something
>> > we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this 
new
>>trend
>> > of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just 
about a
>> > bridge
>> > too far, IMHO.
>> >
>> > This behavior seems particularly loathsome given the Kirk's bloated
>> > whining
>> > right here on V2020 during our recent discussions following the
>> > revelations
>> > of the crimes of two child molesters affiliated with the Kirk. It 
was
>> > wrong, we were told, to even *discuss* the crimes because it would
>>somehow
>> > cause harm to the many unnamed victims and their families.
>> >
>> > This seems to me yet another example of the double-standard the 
Kirk
>>had
>> > become infamous for: Kirk children are more worthy of being 
protected
>>and
>> > treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the
>>community.
>> >
>> > Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic (and any
>> > religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate counsel
>> > regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions
>> > is: isn't
>> > there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic of
>> > naming/identifying
>> > underage children on V2020 in an attempt to intimidate by these two
>> > reprobates?
>> >
>> >
>> > Saundra Lund
>> > Moscow, ID
>> >
>> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good 
people to
>>do
>> > nothing.
>> > - Edmund Burke
>> >
>> > ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra
>>Lund.
>> > Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020
>>forum
>> > without the express written permission of the author.*****
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
>>vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>> > On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
>> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57 AM
>> > To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com;
>>austinstorm at gmail.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
>> >
>> > Rememeber Austin,
>> >
>> > You would be correct in saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie 
Woolf.
>> >
>> > J. Ford would not make her son [name deleted SL] run the weed 
wacker
>>at
>> > the
>> > Episcopal Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.
>> >
>> > J. Ford, who was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a
>>boxing
>> > match, would never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as 
boxing
>>at
>> > the
>> > local gym.
>> >
>> > And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery 
cowboy
>>hat!
>> >
>> > Doug!
>> >
>> > PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work that Mike Hoffman 
wrote to
>>me
>> > didn't bounce.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
>> >
>> > Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by attacking the
>> > questioner.
>> > Nice try. Nah, it wasnae, really.
>> >
>> > Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae 
earned it
>> > and
>> > therefore you donnae get it from me.
>> >
>> > See, the question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping 
boys, it
>> > was
>> > directed to his cowardness hisself. Once again, he chooses to let 
you
>> > boys
>> > take the lead and try to distract people and unfortunately since 
you
>> > have,
>> > you failed.
>> >
>> > Again, Dougie - since the projects you fought - well through Mike
>> > Hoffman,
>> > you fought since neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to 
the
>> > meetings - the City to gain approval for, projects that they spent 
a
>> > great
>> > deal of City time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your 
next
>> > move?
>> >
>> > Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's done all that
>> > improvement and remodeling. Hope it wasnae for nothing, Matt.
>> >
>> > Anyone even seen Mike recently? Bet Avista, Verizon, the contractor
>> > who's
>> > machines and supplies just sat for weeks without payment would 
like to.
>> >
>> > Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the Silos, Mt. View, N Polk 
Ext...a
>> > lot
>> > of projects and no Mike Hoffman with a check book...hmmmmm. Hey,
>> > Dougie-boy
>> > - can you say "Sucker!"?
>> >
>> >
>> > J :]
>> >
>> > P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "Austin Storm" <austinstorm at gmail.com>
>> > >To: "J Ford" < privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>> > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
>> > >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700
>> > >
>> > >J,
>> > >
>> > >The best way to get honest answers is to ask honest questions. You
>> > >alternate
>> > >between questions that are actually insults and paranoid nonsense.
>> > Forgive
>> > >me for being so blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem
>> > borderline
>> > >/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads to 
conspiracy
>> > >theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.). I'm also 
sure
>> > he
>> > >poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you are Jackie 
Woolf
>>who
>> > >lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and you've denied on
>> > multiple
>> > >occassions that you are this person or that you have a son named
>> > [name deleted SL]. =P
>> > >
>> > >Regards,
>> > >
>> > >Austin
>> > >
>> > >On 8/24/06, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>What, you are so much the follower of his you've taken on his 
duty to
>> > >>reply
>> > >>to questions directed to him?
>> > >>
>> > >>Wow - such dedication, such loyalty,
>> > >>
>> > >>such self-depreciation....
>> > >>
>> > >>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the community know what yer plans 
are
>>now
>> > >>that
>> > >>the bottom seems to have fallen out of another one of yer 
schemes?
>> > >>
>> > >>No? Oh well.....
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>J :]
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> >From: "David Williams" <davidwilliams365 at hotmail.com>
>> > >> >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > >> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
>> > >> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:58:38 -0400
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Why do you even ask?? You'll know anyways, from your sweet 
vantage
>> > >>point
>> > >> >in the bushes.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>From: "J Ford" < privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>> > >> >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > >> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
>> > >> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:20:27 -0700
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>Hey Dougie-boy, you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold 
indefinitely
>> > and
>> > >>YOUR
>> > >> >>project is on hold on N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>J :]
>> > >> >>
>> > >> 
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