[Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in trouble?
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Fri Aug 25 15:09:20 PDT 2006
I think your post is a step in the right direction, Saundra. There's too
much nastiness, we all know; lately, though, we've had off-list "inside"
info tossed out in public, specifics about where people live, kids' names,
weird sexual come-ons, and people deciding to "out" people who appear to be
using pseudonyms, while simultaneously applauding the still-anonymous
Princess Sushitushi.
This is the degeneration of Vision 2020, not the polarization of political
beliefs represented therein. I think we can all do better.
And yes, "Keely" really is my name -- for the person who asked me two weeks
ago. "Hon" isn't.
keely
From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: [Vision2020] V2020 Question: RE: Wilsonvile in trouble?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:37:29 -0700
Visionaries:
Is it just me, or is anyone else disturbed by the Kirk contingent's newest
strategy of snarkily trotting out the names of underage children (they
aren't the parents of) on V2020 to attack V2020 posters?
To me, it seems absolutely despicable and inappropriate and downright creepy
. . . and not just because they've never produced a shred of evidence here
to support their accusations that J Ford and Jackie Woolf are one and the
same.
I understand that V2020 is an open unmoderated forum and it's something
we've discussed more than once over the past few years, but this new trend
of the Kirk's to name/identify children not their own is just about a bridge
too far, IMHO.
This behavior seems particularly loathsome given the Kirk's bloated whining
right here on V2020 during our recent discussions following the revelations
of the crimes of two child molesters affiliated with the Kirk. It was
wrong, we were told, to even *discuss* the crimes because it would somehow
cause harm to the many unnamed victims and their families.
This seems to me yet another example of the double-standard the Kirk had
become infamous for: Kirk children are more worthy of being protected and
treated appropriately than are the children of the rest of the community.
Personally, I *know* God is most unhappy with their tactic (and any
religious leader worth his/her salt would offer appropriate counsel
regarding the error of their ways), but my concern and questions is: isn't
there *anything* we can do about this shameful tactic of naming/identifying
underage children on V2020 in an attempt to intimidate by these two
reprobates?
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
- Edmund Burke
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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:57 AM
To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; austinstorm at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
Rememeber Austin,
You would be correct in saying the J. Ford is in fact not Jackie Woolf.
J. Ford would not make her son [name deleted SL] run the weed wacker at the
Episcopal Church while she barked orders to him from the sidelines.
J. Ford, who was all up in arms about Christ Church boys having a boxing
match, would never alow her son to learn a manly skill such as boxing at the
local gym.
And J. Ford would never be caught dead in a big blue feathery cowboy hat!
Doug!
PS. Jackie, all of the checks for demo work that Mike Hoffman wrote to me
didn't bounce.
-----Original Message-----
From: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:36:26 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
Again, you attempt to sidetrack the question by attacking the
questioner.
Nice try. Nah, it wasnae, really.
Forgiveness is not just handed out it is earned - you havenae earned it
and
therefore you donnae get it from me.
See, the question wasnae directed to Dougie's little whipping boys, it
was
directed to his cowardness hisself. Once again, he chooses to let you
boys
take the lead and try to distract people and unfortunately since you
have,
you failed.
Again, Dougie - since the projects you fought - well through Mike
Hoffman,
you fought since neither you nor Matt ever bothered to show up to the
meetings - the City to gain approval for, projects that they spent a
great
deal of City time, money and energy on, are now bust what is your next
move?
Wonder what Matt will get for his house now that he's done all that
improvement and remodeling. Hope it wasnae for nothing, Matt.
Anyone even seen Mike recently? Bet Avista, Verizon, the contractor
who's
machines and supplies just sat for weeks without payment would like to.
Let's see, the Red Door, Goodwill, the Silos, Mt. View, N Polk Ext...a
lot
of projects and no Mike Hoffman with a check book...hmmmmm. Hey,
Dougie-boy
- can you say "Sucker!"?
J :]
P.S. sportsboyzinthekirkhood need not reply...you're "bozo-ed"!
>From: "Austin Storm" <austinstorm at gmail.com>
>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:25:03 -0700
>
>J,
>
>The best way to get honest answers is to ask honest questions. You
>alternate
>between questions that are actually insults and paranoid nonsense.
Forgive
>me for being so blunt, but that's how you come across. You seem
borderline
>/obsessed/ with Pastor Wilson, an obsession that leads to conspiracy
>theories (I'm quite sure he's not rich, for instance.). I'm also sure
he
>poses no threat to you... after all, he thinks you are Jackie Woolf who
>lives on N. Garfield with her son, Kenyon, and you've denied on
multiple
>occassions that you are this person or that you have a son named
[name deleted SL]. =P
>
>Regards,
>
>Austin
>
>On 8/24/06, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>What, you are so much the follower of his you've taken on his duty to
>>reply
>>to questions directed to him?
>>
>>Wow - such dedication, such loyalty,
>>
>>such self-depreciation....
>>
>>Anyway - Dougie, care to let the community know what yer plans are now
>>that
>>the bottom seems to have fallen out of another one of yer schemes?
>>
>>No? Oh well.....
>>
>>
>>
>>J :]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "David Williams" <davidwilliams365 at hotmail.com>
>> >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
>> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:58:38 -0400
>> >
>> >Why do you even ask?? You'll know anyways, from your sweet vantage
>>point
>> >in the bushes.
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>> >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Wilsonvile in trouble?
>> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:20:27 -0700
>> >>
>> >>Hey Dougie-boy, you mega-land/money-grabber-wannabe:
>> >>
>> >>Since Michael's project on Mt. View is now on hold indefinitely
and
>>YOUR
>> >>project is on hold on N Polk Ext. - whatcha gonna do?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>J :]
>> >>
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