[Vision2020] West of Paris
g. crabtree
jampot at adelphia.net
Fri Aug 25 09:12:50 PDT 2006
Or that Ms.Prusynski misunderstood. Or that Ms. Prusynski (among others) has
an agenda that is best served by portraying West of Paris in a negative
light. Or Mr. Foucachon misspoke. Or that the Daily News got it wrong.
(first time!) Or, or, or... The bottom line is I wasn't there to hear what
was or wasn't said and I assume you weren't either. The point of my post had
nothing to do with the veracity of anyone and everything to do with being
glad that a new business is attempting to make it's way, under it's own
terms, in a very business unfriendly climate. Divide it into as many issues
as you like, I wish them the best of luck and intend to partake of their
menu at my first opportunity.
gc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris
> There are two separate issues here.
>
> First, there is the question of whether or not West of Paris will serve
> fois gras.
>
> Second, there is the question of whether or not Mr. Foucachon lied to
> Megan about the first issue. Megan was planning to hold a protest against
> WoP, talked with Mr. Foucachon, and -- according to Megan -- he told her
> that WoP was not going to serve it until they found a place that didn't
> torture geese. Then we read in the paper that Mr. Foucachon will serve
> fois gras regardless of what the people think. It appears, at least, that
> Mr. Foucachon is talking out of both sides of his mouth.
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> =============
> Speaking from the more sparsely populated side of the V, I find it a
> pleasant and refreshing change to see someone who has an idea or opinion
> and
> is willing to stick with it despite the mournful lowing of the rest of the
> herd. Just because a segment of the "community" has "concerns" doesn't
> mean
> that an individual needs to bend like a reed in the wind. Having said
> that,
> I've never tried fat goose liver. Sounds kind of icky and with so many
> other
> more palatable items on the menu I think instead of making a federal case
> out of the one item I'll just try something else. If there is no market
> for
> the item, Mr. Foucachon, being a savvy businessman, will doubtlessly
> discontinue it. Of course, unlike some, I don't have a vested interest in
> seeing this enterprise fail. Quite the contrary, It's my hope that this
> and
> many other establishments thrive, allowing Moscow's economy to expand and
> flourish.
>
> Bon appetite,
> gc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris
>
>
>> Ah, but that is EXACTLY what the owner of West of Paris did.
>>
>> He basically thumbed his nose at the community saying their concerns were
>> baseless and he was going to do what he wanted no matter what. And he
>> said
>> it to a reporter who printed it.
>>
>>
>> J :]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Deacon James" <deaconblues42 at gmail.com>
>>>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris
>>>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:03:13 -0700
>>>
>>>Jackie,
>>>
>>>If I owned a restaurant, and I were thinking something nefarious like
>>>"But
>>>I
>>>will be putting it back on as soon as I can when no one is looking," I
>>>probably wouldn't tell it to the newspaper.
>>>
>>>D :]
>>>
>>>On 8/24/06, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>MOST restaurants that have run out of things, leave it on the menu but
>>>>add
>>>>a
>>>>note that it is unavailable at this time....yer bud there says "I took
>>>>it
>>>>off the menu because of the protest" on one side of his mouth while the
>>>>other side is saying "But I will be putting it back on as soon as I can
>>>>when
>>>>no one is looking."
>>>>
>>>>That's called a false statement - attempting to make people believe one
>>>>way
>>>>when the other is the truth....yeah, I know TRUTH - a foreign concept to
>>>>the
>>>>kirkhood.
>>>>
>>>>BTW, do the elders and Dougie know you've become their unofficial
>>>>spokesperson or have they just not gotten around to writing ye an e-mail
>>>>telling ya to knock it off? Wait - it'll happen; always does,
>>>>especially
>>>>when ye start embarrassing them like ya are..
>>>>
>>>>J :]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >From: "David Williams" <davidwilliams365 at hotmail.com>
>>>> >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris
>>>> >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:44:29 -0400
>>>> >
>>>> >J asks "why would you take it off your menu?"
>>>> >
>>>> >Because he doesn't have any. That's called false advertising. If he
>>>> >doesn't have any, he's not going to advertise that he does, giving
>>>> >false
>>>> >impressions to local patrons. Also, for your reference, he's getting
>>>> >it
>>>> >all the way from France, and if you're not up to date on your
>>>> >geography,
>>>> >that's pretty far away. You know, in Europe.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>>> >>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris
>>>> >>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:30:44 -0700
>>>> >>
>>>> >>First of all, it is is not ***Moscow*** showing an interest in
>>>>anything,
>>>> >>especially when 'tis kirkers doing the selling and kirkers doing the
>>>> >>buying.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Second, "we almost sold out our first night."
>>>> >>
>>>> >>is translated as "we sold a bit of it to our friends and numerous
>>>>family
>>>> >>members and ended up throwing the rest out due to spoilage reasons."
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Third, "The people complaining about foie gras have a point. The way
>>>>the
>>>> >>birds are being stuffed is questionable, and I do believe it's
>>>>important
>>>> >>to
>>>> >>treat animals humanely. I will put foie gras on my menu again when I
>>>>find
>>>> >>a
>>>> >>producer that doesn't engage in force feeding"
>>>> >>
>>>> >>is translated as "They complain, but so what? Can they prove what
>>>> >>they
>>>> >>say?
>>>> >> I will do what I want - its my restaurant."
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Fourth, "This is a group that was looking for something to use
>>>> >>against
>>>>my
>>>> >>business and they found something," he said. "While I believe there
>>>> >>are
>>>> >>some
>>>> >>valid concerns here, I'm not going to stop serving what people want.
>>>> >>I
>>>> >>will
>>>> >>put foie gras on my menu again"
>>>> >>
>>>> >>is translated as "THEY are all against me. This is religious
>>>>persecution
>>>> >>and I will not cave - well, ok I am for now, but I WILL BE BACK."
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Geez, why bother taking it off the menu if all you're doing is
>>>> >>waiting
>>>>for
>>>> >>the next shipment and hoping people outside yer church donnae find
>>>> >>out
>>>>you
>>>> >>got it? How disingenuous can you get?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>J :]
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
>>>> >> >To: "'Megan Prusynski'" <megan at meganpru.com>,
>>>> >> ><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> >> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris
>>>> >> >Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:55:57 -0700
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Hi Megan & Visionaries:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >The following article is from today's Daily News and seems to paint
>>>> >> >a
>>>> >> >slightly different picture. In particular, I take exception with
>>>> >> >Mr.
>>>> >> >Foucachon's statement, "He wants local activists, who got their
>>>> >> >hands
>>>>on
>>>> >>an
>>>> >> >outdated menu earlier this week, to know their threats of protest
>>>>mean
>>>> >> >nothing to him or his staff."
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >The "outdated" menu came directly from West of Paris' Web site the
>>>>very
>>>> >>day
>>>> >> >I posted my concerns, not from some nefarious source. And, we know
>>>>from
>>>> >> >Mr.
>>>> >> >Foucachon's comments right here on the Viz that he was aware of the
>>>> >> >inhumanity of the product *before* he included it on West of Paris'
>>>>menu
>>>> >> >:-(((
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Anyway, here's the article:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"Foie gras controversy hits Moscow
>>>> >> >Activists up in arms over delicacy's inclusion on restaurant menu;
>>>>item
>>>> >>has
>>>> >> >since been removed
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >By Alexis Bacharach Daily News staff writer
>>>> >> >Published: 08-23-2006
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Foie gras is no longer available at Moscow's West of Paris, but not
>>>>for
>>>> >>the
>>>> >> >reasons one might think.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Restaurant owner Francis Foucachon sold out of the item his first
>>>>week
>>>> >>in
>>>> >> >business.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >He wants local activists, who got their hands on an outdated menu
>>>> >>earlier
>>>> >> >this week, to know their threats of protest mean nothing to him or
>>>>his
>>>> >> >staff.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"Here is the bottom line," he said. "I ordered a small amount just
>>>> >> >to
>>>> >>see
>>>> >> >if
>>>> >> >there was a demand in Moscow. It was such a huge success, we almost
>>>>sold
>>>> >> >out
>>>> >> >our first night."
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Foie gras, French for fatty liver, is produced through a process of
>>>> >> >force-feeding ducks and geese until their livers become saturated
>>>>with
>>>> >>fat.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Handlers insert tubes down the birds' throats and funnel pounds of
>>>> >>cornmeal
>>>> >> >into their stomachs several times a day.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Megan Prusynski, a local activist with People for the Ethical
>>>>Treatment
>>>> >>of
>>>> >> >Animals and the Humane Society of the United States, said
>>>> >> >consumption
>>>>of
>>>> >> >foie gras went down in areas that provided focused education and
>>>> >>outreach
>>>> >> >programs.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >With that in mind, she's teaming with local and national groups,
>>>> >>including
>>>> >> >Compassion Speaks at Washington State University, to organize
>>>>protests
>>>> >>in
>>>> >> >Friendship Square later this month.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"There are still a lot of people out there who don't know what foie
>>>>gras
>>>> >>is
>>>> >> >or how it's made," she said. "When I heard there was a restaurant
>>>> >> >in
>>>> >>Moscow
>>>> >> >serving it, I started talking to people about doing some kind of
>>>>protest
>>>> >>to
>>>> >> >raise people's awareness - maybe get it banned."
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >More than a dozen countries, including Israel, Germany, the United
>>>> >>Kingdom,
>>>> >> >Austria, the Czech Republic, Finland, Italy, Poland and Denmark,
>>>> >> >have
>>>> >> >outlawed the French delicacy.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >In the United States, lawmakers are proposing bans at the state and
>>>> >> >municipal levels.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >The California Legislature passed a phased ban last year on the
>>>> >>production
>>>> >> >and sale of foie gras. Earlier this month, city leaders in Chicago
>>>> >>banned
>>>> >> >the controversial item from all menus in the city.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"The people complaining about foie gras have a point," Foucachon
>>>>said.
>>>> >>"The
>>>> >> >way the birds are being stuffed is questionable, and I do believe
>>>>it's
>>>> >> >important to treat animals humanely. I will put foie gras on my
>>>> >> >menu
>>>> >>again
>>>> >> >when I find a producer that doesn't engage in force feeding."
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >PETA spokesman Matt Prescott said that's a victory for animal
>>>> >> >rights,
>>>> >> >because Foucachon will never find what he's looking for.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"There are producers in the industry who say their foie gras is
>>>>produced
>>>> >> >humanely, but such claims are unsubstantiated," he said.
>>>>"Investigations
>>>> >>at
>>>> >> >every foie gras farm has uncovered incidents of sick, dead and
>>>> >> >abused
>>>> >> >animals. We've seen birds with holes in their throats and bloody
>>>>beaks.
>>>> >> >We've seen farms where dead birds were dangling from wires,
>>>> >> >dripping
>>>> >>blood
>>>> >> >on the live birds."
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Video footage and photo galleries on PETA's Web site provide images
>>>>of
>>>> >> >birds
>>>> >> >with gaping wounds, images of blood-soaked cages and buckets full
>>>> >> >of
>>>> >> >feathered corpses.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"No animal should be subject to torture," Foucachon said. "But
>>>> >> >these
>>>> >>things
>>>> >> >they're complaining about, I would suggest American chickens are
>>>>treated
>>>> >> >far
>>>> >> >worse than the ducks and the geese. Why aren't people writing
>>>> >> >letters
>>>> >>and
>>>> >> >staging protests at the grocery stores and restaurants that sell
>>>> >>chicken?"
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Why stop there, he asked?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Foucachon suggested protests against restaurants that cook live
>>>> >>lobsters.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"This is a group that was looking for something to use against my
>>>> >>business
>>>> >> >and they found something," he said. "While I believe there are some
>>>> >>valid
>>>> >> >concerns here, I'm not going to stop serving what people want. I
>>>> >> >will
>>>> >>put
>>>> >> >foie gras on my menu again."
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Alexis Bacharach can be reached at (208) 882-5561, ext. 238, or by
>>>> >>e-mail
>>>> >> >at
>>>> >> >abacharach at dnews.com "
>>>> >> >________
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >A Very Disappointed Saundra Lund
>>>> >> >Moscow, ID
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
>>>>to
>>>> >>do
>>>> >> >nothing.
>>>> >> >- Edmund Burke
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006, Saundra
>>>> >>Lund.
>>>> >> >Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020
>>>> >>forum
>>>> >> >without the express written permission of the author.*****
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>>>> >> >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>>> >>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>>>> >> >On Behalf Of Megan Prusynski
>>>> >> >Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:55 AM
>>>> >> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> >> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >I also wanted to give you all an update on West of Paris and the
>>>> >> >foie
>>>> >>gras
>>>> >> >issue. Mr. Foucachon has decided to take foie gras off the menu and
>>>> >> >I
>>>> >>would
>>>> >> >like to congratulate and thank him for making the compassionate
>>>>choice.
>>>> >> >Hopefully his kind actions can be a way to educate people about
>>>> >> >just
>>>> >>what
>>>> >> >goes into foie gras production and how cruel it is. Thanks very
>>>> >> >much,
>>>> >>Mr.
>>>> >> >Foucachon and West of Paris. :)
>>>> >> >
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