[Vision2020] Line and 6th
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Tue Aug 22 13:27:34 PDT 2006
WHEN did MSD ever say they would put up a sign? I am not doubting you, yet,
but if you could just this once back up your statement it would help.
Otherwise I would suggest a retraction (yeah, like THAT's gonna happen) of
your below statement.
J :]
>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: Bruce and Jean Livingston <jeanlivingston at turbonet.com>, Art
>Deco <deco at moscow.com>, Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Line and 6th
>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:03:49 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Bruce,
>
>Your suggestion would be a better solution then a permanent four way stop.
>But I think the best solution would be for the MSD to pay for a traffic
>controller for the intersection for the start and end of school days.
>
> MSD said they had enough money set aside for a traffic light there and
>said they were going to put it up. I guess they bailed on that idea.
>
> Best,
>
> _DJA
>
>Bruce and Jean Livingston <jeanlivingston at turbonet.com> wrote:
>No, but I would like to know, since I suggested a light that operates
>during high traffic and child pedestrian times. At other times of day, I
> think that Mountainview Road ought to retain its current non-stop right
>of way, via a blinking yellow light instead of a permanent four way stop.
>How much would that solution cost?
>
> Bruce Livingston
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Art Deco
> To: Vision 2020
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Line and 6th
>
>
> Do you have any idea how much properly designed, smart traffic
>signals cost?
>
> W.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Donovan Arnold
> To: Tom Ivie ; Art Deco ; Vision 2020
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Line and 6th
>
>
>
>That would be good .But I don't understand why MSD doesn't buy one now.
>
>Best,
>
>_DJA
>
>Tom Ivie <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com> wrote: Donovan,
> How about a compromise? Put up 4-way stop signs until a grant can
>go through for a stop light. This way there will be something there in
>the interim.
>
>Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> What are you people on crack? Line and 6th (a three way, not four
>way stop) is backed up for blocks several times a day. Cars are half way
>to Deakin every time I go through there. And college students don't all
>get out off classes at exactly the same time like they do on Mt. View and
>D. I don't use that road. But I think people will be very upset if a four
>way stop is placed on that intersection instead of a stop light. Letting
>20 cars go at a time is much faster then one at a time, and safer.
>
>Best,
>
>_DJA
>
>Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
> How do we know that a four-way stop at Mountain View and D will
>clog traffic for blocks? Do you have access to traffic studies and the
>engineered conclusions drawn from them the rest of us are ignorant of?
>
> There are several busy intersections with four-way stops that
>function fine without clogging traffic for blocks: Blaine and 6th, Blaine
> and White, Hayes and D, Line and 6th (although this can back up traffic
>for about one block on the east side at peak times, but no big deal), A
>and Line, are a few examples.
>
> W.
> ----- Original Message ----- From:
>Donovan Arnold
> To: roger hayes ; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mountain View and D
>
>
>
>I am not for a stop sign on Mountain and D. I am however, for a stop
>light. A four way stop will have Mountain View and D street clogged for
>blocks. That will force more people into taking alternative routes
>speeding through neighborhood streets and down 6th Street (when and if
>that road ever reopens).
>
>It sounds logical to put a four way stop there. But I think the volume of
>traffic is great and this will create greater problems on that corner and
>elsewhere in town. How much longer does it take for four cars to come to a
>stop, then go one at a time? Multiply that by the number of cars, if will
>a good 10-15 minutes longer to across town on that section of road.
>
>Best,
>
>_DJA
>
>roger hayes <rhayes at turbonet.com> wrote: >
>A timed light is an improvement, but kids and walkers cross that
> > intersection from dawn to way past dark. The problem does not
> just
> > occur during the morning and afternoon. A stop sign would be
>a cheap,
> > effective way to slow the traffic enough so drivers would be
>more
> > aware of children and pedestrians in the crosswalk. We'd
>probably want
> > to leave the blinking yellow light though.
>
>Roger Hayes
>
> >
> >> I think the city has viewed Mt. View as an arterial for the
> increasing
> >> numbers of houses on the outskirts of Moscow.
> >> As a person who frequently crosses this intersection on
>foot and by
> >> bicycle, I think a 4 way stop sign at D and Mt. View is a
>good idea
> >> indeed. People tend to really zip through that area. It
>will, however,
> >> change the nature of Mt. View from commuting arterial to
>urban street.
> >> But given all the schools, the pool, and rec. centers in
>the area, the
> >> change will not be a bad thing.
> >
> > Roger Hayes
> >
> >> From: cynthia nichols
> >> To: Bruce and Jean Livingston
> >> CC: john weber , Nancy Chaney
> >> ,
> >> bill lambert , Vision 2020
> >> , Robert Stout ,
> >> john dickinson
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public Works Meeting
> >> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:27:40 -0700
> >>
> >> This is a good idea. No sense in making EVERYONE on
>Mountain View
> >> stop all day long when there is only a problem twice a day.
>Or even
> >> having the lights on Mtn. View blink yellow most of the day
>and blink
> >> red during those peak-use times.
> >>
> >> The city needs to require the developer to finish the
>sidewalk on the
> >> east side of Mountain View too-between Hillcrest and
>Rolling Hills.
> >>
> >> cynthia nichols
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 16, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Bruce and Jean Livingston
>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Frankly, I don't understand why they don't put a traffic
> light
> >>> there, set it
> >>> for blinking yellow much of the day in the Mountainview
>direction,
> >>> but run
> >>> it with actual red and green alternating lights for the
>high
> >>> traffic, "kid"
> >>> times, say 7 a.m. to 9 a.m., and 2 p.m. until 4 or even 6
>pm given
> >>> the "kid
> >>> use" of the athletic facilities all around that
>intersection. The
> >>> traffic
> >>> back-up on D St. can be significant, and a regimented
>crossing
> >>> opportunity
> >>> that an actual red light on Mountainview would provide is
> >>> significant.
> >>>
> >>> Parents would also be much more likely to allow children
>to walk to
> >>> school
> >>> if they had confidence in the safety of their child when
>crossing
> >>> Mountainview at D Street.
> >>>
> >>> Bruce Livingston
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Craine Kit"
> >>> To: "Vision 2020"
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:21 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public Works Meeting
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Here are the photos showing the flashing
>lights.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kit Craine
>
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