[Vision2020] stop the false accusations against Sunil
Sunil Ramalingam
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Tue Aug 22 12:51:27 PDT 2006
I've tried not to post responses to Donovan after Roger's comments a couple
of weeks ago, but I'm sick of his crap. First he and now Tony have made the
irresponsible and incorrect statements that I support terrorists or
terrorism; certainly Donovan has made the claim that I only defend
terrorists and sworn enemies of the U.S.
I have tried to explain to Donovan offline with no success that I oppose the
prison in Guantanimo; I oppose the war in Iraq; I oppose the torture of
prisoners and the abandonment of the Geneva Convention; I oppose this
administration's foreign policy. As far as I know, we're still allowed to
object to our govenrnment's actions. If he wants to say that means I defend
terrorists, then he's going to do that, but he's not going to be able to
defend his lies with anything I've said.
I do object to Donovan's lies about me. I think he's making dangerous and
irresponsible statements about me, and I don't think I should have to sit
here and put up with them. Sure, I could say no one takes anything he says
seriously, but I have no idea who might come across his swill and believe
it.
I never mentioned Tony's wife in my post. If Donovan read that in my post I
have to question his literacy.
Tony told me I was not allowed to change the subject, and I made the
apparently incomprehensible joke that he mistook himself for my wife.
Donovan, get your big reading book and look up 'pronouns.' I did not and
would not make fun of Tony's wife. I don't know if he's married and don't
care.
Tony, I have never said I think I'm intellectually superior to you. Quit
being so sensitive. I won't be comparing myself to Lincoln, and I'm no
fancy pants lawyer. I don't think of myself as one, and I don't think I'm
better than anyone else because I'm a lawyer. But if you make incorrect
statements about a legal issue, after a while I'm going to point that out to
you, as I did with your First Amendment statements some time ago, and as
with your recent statements about freedom of expression.
Sunil
>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net>, Tony Simpson
><tonytime at clearwire.net>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] stop the false accusations against Sunil
>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Sunil attacked Tony and made a reference to his wife. Why aren't you
>condemning that Joe? Is making references to people's relatives that you
>don't like now acceptable if the person is not a liberal, Joe. Appears to
>be the case.
>
> I hope others join me in condemning attacks on people's relatives and
>spouses, and not defend people that do so.
>
> I never said Sunil supported Terrorism, Joe. I said he defends
>terrorists. Which he has done repeatedly. One can defend the person
>without condoning the actions of that person.
>
> Best,
>
> _DJA
>
>Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote: Tony,
>
>It is one thing to call Sunil offensive names and accuse him of being an
>elitist. The first is just childish and the second merely indicates that
>you just don't know Sunil. Both of these sorts of things only make me
>laugh.
>
>But in our contemporary context it is just plain irresponsible and wrong
>to suggest in anyway that Sunil is a supporter of terrorism. Both you and
>Donovan have made this absurd accusation -- neither one of you even
>attempting to support the claim in any way. You need to get a grip.
>
>I hope that others will join me in condemning these kinds of accusations.
>
>--
>Joe Campbell
>
>---- Tony Simpson wrote:
>
>=============
>Suenil: Yep pal, I need to go and "oppress someone."
>
>Anyone who supports terrorists instead of his own country I will oppress.
>Anyone who revels in rubbing everyone else's nose in his supposed
>intellectual superiority I will oppress. Anyone who sees no injustice in
>the premeditated murder of the innocent, I will oppress. Anyone who tries
>to deny freedom of expression to those with whom they disagree, I will
>oppress. Anyone who wishes to weaken or destroy the institutions that have
>held civilization together, I will oppress.
>
>So get used to it Lawyer Man, I'm not going anywhere.
>
>Despising arrogant and smug elitists, --TONY
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sunil Ramalingam"
>Cc:
>Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:24 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
>
>
> > Tony,
> >
> > You're the one who brings up my law degree, not me. Since you inquired
> > about how I passed the bar, I thought I'd answer you.
> >
> > If you're well-informed, Tony, you're hiding your light under a bushel.
> > Now
> > I'll get out of your hair; you probably need to go oppress someone.
> >
> > Sunil
> >
> >
> >>From: "Tony Simpson"
> >>To: "Sunil Ramalingam"
> >>CC:
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
> >>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:02:33 -0700
> >>
> >>Sunil,
> >>
> >>Me mistaking myself for your wife? I'm afraid I have absolutely no idea
> >>what you are talking about. But pal, that equation would NEVER work out
> >>THAT way. The reason for the "hon" comment is old news, weren't you
> >>paying
> >>attention councilor?
> >>
> >>Ya' know, Your fancy pants law degree really doesn't mean SHIT to me,
> >>Sunil. Abraham Lincoln had no formal schooling yet he was as brilliant
>and
> >>persuasive as any "credentialed" man of his time. As it is with you and
> >>I.
> >>We are both very well informed, just not necessarily in the same exact
> >>areas. You could really do with a dose of humility, Mr. Constitutional
> >>law
> >>hotshot.
> >>
> >>Now go sue somebody or something..... -Tony
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunil Ramalingam"
> >>
> >>Cc:
> >>Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:36 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
> >>
> >>
> >>>For someone who comes across as a homophobe, Tony, it's odd to find you
> >>>mistaking yourself for my wife. However, it prepared me for finding
>your
> >>>response to Andreas and your use of the endearment, 'Hon,' for him.
>Hey,
> >>>not that there's anything wrong with it, but does his wife know about
> >>>this?
> >>>
> >>>But since you're neither she nor the boss of me, I guess I'm allowed to
> >>>change the subject.
> >>>
> >>>I will give you one clue about how I passed the bar exam, since you
> >>>brought
> >>>it up: On the Constitutional law section, I discussed the established
> >>>law
> >>>of the United States, not the imagined law and jurisprudence of Tony
> >>>Simpson. Until you're the Fuhrer, I will recommend this approach to
> >>>those
> >>>preparing for that exam.
> >>>
> >>>I understand that you oppose flag burning. That puts you with almost
>the
> >>>entire population of the United States, since this hardly ever happens.
> >>>I've never seen it in person; have you? But saying it's not speech
>does
> >>>not
> >>>make you right, even if you say it in multiple posts. It's also pretty
> >>>ineffective speech, but speech it still is.
> >>>
> >>>Sunil
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: "Tony Simpson"
> >>>>To: "Sunil Ramalingam"
> >>>>CC:
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
> >>>>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:29:17 -0700
> >>>>
> >>>>Sunil,
> >>>>
> >>>>No, you are not going to be allowed to change the subject. Address my
> >>>>point about the difference between license and freedom.
> >>>>
> >>>>Standing in opposition to double talking lawyers, --Tony
> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunil Ramalingam"
> >>>>
> >>>>Cc:
> >>>>Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:44 AM
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
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