[Vision2020] For the love of a REAL woman......

keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
Tue Aug 22 11:17:05 PDT 2006


Whew.  I was worried that Tony would answer James with hostility or 
something . . .

keely


From: "Tony Simpson" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
To: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] For the love of a REAL woman......
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:44:01 -0700

JAMES, you accuse me of hostility, just prior to launching into a hostile 
tirade of your own in a lame attempt to rationalize murder.  Men, you say, 
are not very nurturing.  Speak for yourself man.  I have half custody of 3 
children who I am raising ALONE with much love and tenderness.  Just because 
YOU may have failed to nurture the souls of YOUR children does not mean that 
every other guy is equally negligent.

You accuse me of wanting to "dominate" women.  HOGWASH!  I adore women, but 
genuine, feminine women, not the competitive and shrill harpies who dominate 
the left.  I do not demean real women, fact is, James, I'm an EXPERT on the 
treatment of real women, in and out of bed.  Better than you will EVER be.  
But if you want me to talk nice with some masculine, man - hater who demands 
the "right" to murder her own offspring, your S.O.L.

Hope this clears up your confusion,         -Tony
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: James Reynolds
   To: g. crabtree ; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
   Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
   Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:25 AM
   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] License is NOT freedom, dingbat!


   Gary and Tony,

   I really only got onto this thread because Tony was becoming a bit too 
hostile to others on the site and I felt it my duty to deflect his anger 
toward me. It is just a habit of mine to engage against unwarranted 
agression. I am older now, but my blood still boils. Now that I am in the 
middle of this with a couple of genuine right-wing nuts, I will try to 
entertain you with my thoughts.

   I am not sure of when the assignment of souls occurs during a childs 
development and by your tones I don't believe you have a clue. Spiritual 
leaders differ in their understandings also but the assignment of a 
particular soul to a child is widely used to explain why humans are what we 
are. I have read on the biological development and some on what spiritual 
leaders think and have come understanding that it isn't until late in 
pregnancy. Some spiritual leaders even think the assignment is some time 
after birth. My thought is that if the assignment of soul has not yet 
happened before an abortion then the assignment would occur at a later 
inception. Storks don't really bring babies Gary, that is just in the books 
you read. The biological evidence of the later assignment of the soul, to 
me, comes form the observation that ontogeny does repeat phylogeny. it would 
not make sense to give a human soul to something with gill slits or just a 
notochord.

   My practical stand on the issue of abortion is that it is something for 
women to figure out and for men to back them on their decision. It seems to 
me to be very unlikely that Tony is the nurturing person that he tries to 
portray to be concerning abortion. Most men, including myself are simply not 
very nurturing. What is more likely is that Tony wants man to dominate 
woman. He has expressed a non-nurturing attitude in volumes on this list and 
has also demonstrated a demeaning attitude toward women on this list. As a 
little guidance to Tony I would offer to him that a man doesn't and 
shouldn't feel the need to dominate a woman. it is unnecessary and 
counterproductive to a healthy life for both involved for a man to try and 
lord himself over women and it will usually end in a terminated 
relationship. I think a lot of men don't know how to handle their warrior 
self because they were not taught properly to begin with. Women are to be 
revered and protected form physical harm by man. That is man's primary duty. 
The rest of life will take care of itself if you pick up on that. How many 
children do you think would be on this earth if there wasn't this basic 
exchange going on? A good example of this strategy comes from Christian 
doctrine. Remember that the two most important men in the Christian religion 
were born without the influence of man but but both Zecharia (sp) and Joseph 
took their manly chores and supported Elizabeth and Mary. Use this as an 
example and don't assert your manly selves into the realm that belongs to 
woman and God. Us men are the warriors and will always be hounded by this. 
When jesus was born what did man do? He killed all of the babes in the land 
to fulfill some awful destiny that is our curse. We need to keep a handle on 
this fellows.

   One thing we men can do to reduce unwanted pregnancies and so abortions 
is to find strict punishments for the men who cause such pregnancies. A good 
punishment might be...to paraphrase Tony... is to rip the genitals from the 
offending male, cut them to pieces and throw them in the trash.

   I would like to continue with your teachings on proper manly behavior but 
I must now go to work. Later gentlemen.

   James







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     From: jampot at adelphia.net
     To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
     CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
     Subject: Re: [Vision2020] License is NOT freedom, dingbat!
     Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:48:45 -0700


     Come back at a later date? What, on the back of a stork? And where, 
exactly does little Freddy or Freda Fetus hang in the interim? Is there a 
departure lounge someplace that I'm unaware of? This could well be the 
oddest thing I've read on the V ever.

     g
       ----- Original Message -----
       From: James Reynolds
       To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
       Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
       Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:40 PM
       Subject: Re: [Vision2020] License is NOT freedom, dingbat!


       Tony,

       Since you want to speak for the unborn I shall also. I would bet that 
a fetus conceived at some totally inopportune moment in in a woman's life 
would rather come back at a later date when the mother could give her best 
to the child. I think it is far more appropriate for the woman in question 
to make the decision if the time was right.....not some right-winged nut 
job. I think a child would think the same thing.

       Your little argument about License versus Freedom is very tricky tony 
but stupid. Of course the definitions are different or there wouldn't be the 
two words but the freedom to give License is a freedom just the same. If you 
want to disallow the ability to give License then you are curtailing 
freedom. You probably got this little tidbit from a Carl Rove handout. It 
sounds as dumb assed as he is.

       James






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       > From: tonytime at clearwire.net
       > To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
       > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:23:54 -0700
       > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
       > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] License is NOT freedom, dingbat!
       >
       > James,
       >
       > You ask how I can oppose flag burning and still claim to support 
freedom.
       > Answer:  You confuse freedom with license.  Flag burning is no more 
an
       > expression of speech than is yelling fire in a crowded theater.  
Liberals
       > always take a ridiculous, anything goes approach to freedom, not 
recognizing
       > that with freedom comes responsibility.
       >
       > You ask How I can deny marriage to gays and claim to support 
freedom.  I am
       > advocating that the institution of marriage not be destroyed by the
       > licentious behavior of the militant homosexual community.  This is
       > supportive of the right of the vast majority to not have their 
institutions
       > assaulted.
       >
       > You ask how I can support the right of unborn Americans not to be 
savagely
       > ripped from the womb and trash canned, while claiming to support 
freedom.
       > James, I would bet that these innocents, so brutally murdered by
       > abortionists, would appreciate my support of their freedom to 
survive and
       > grow.
       >
       > You say that I come across as mean spirited, yet it is you who 
wishes to
       > destroy America's foundational institutions.  It is you who would 
assist
       > those thoughtless punks who burn the flag.  It is you who callously 
act as
       > an accessory to the premeditated snuffing out of innocent life.
       >
       > Forget it buddy, keep your confused thinking, lack of proper 
perspective and
       > moral bankruptsy away from me.
       >
       > Refusing to cow down to those who would enable child killing and 
flag
       > burning,   --Tony
       > ----- Original Message -----
       > From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
       > Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
       > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:49 AM
       > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
       >
       >
       > > Tony favors retaining the right to free expression to those who 
share
       > > opinions approved of by him and other statists.
       > >
       > > Sunil
       > >
       > >
       > >>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
       > >>To: <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
       > >>CC: Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a 
flag--burner's
       > >>ass!
       > >>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:04:05 -0700
       > >>
       > >>This line is what makes your arguments hollow Tony.
       > >>
       > >>"Those who consistently favor state control verses local autonomy 
and
       > >>freedom, are enemies."
       > >>
       > >>How can you advocate all the controls to be placed upon the 
citizenry (no
       > >>flags will be burned, no gays will be wed, no women will have 
abortion
       > >>etc...) and yet claim to be for freedom. I think you are your own 
worst
       > >>enemy. You come across as a mean spirited crass individual who 
only wishes
       > >>to lord his will over others.
       > >>
       > >>Forget it buddy, keep your controlling ideas away from me.
       > >>
       > >>James
       > >>
       > >>
       > >>
       > >> > From: tonytime at clearwire.net> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com> Date: Mon, 
21 Aug
       > >>2006 01:34:17 -0700> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re: 
[Vision2020]
       > >>Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!> > Yes Keely, you 
might
       > >>support my right to free speech, as it is acknowledged > within 
the Bill
       > >>of
       > >>Rights.  That is nice and all, but irrelevant.  Flag > burning is 
not
       > >>speech.  It is thoughtless and ungrateful acting out, as I > 
correctly
       > >>noted in my original post.> > Those who consistently support 
policies
       > >>which
       > >>would favor America's enemies > are enemies as well.  Those who
       > >>consistently favor state control verses > local autonomy and 
freedom, are
       > >>enemies.  Those who wish to disarm peaceful > citizens, leaving 
them and
       > >>their families vulnerable to state tyranny or > civilian crime, 
are
       > >>enemies.  Those who advocate the premeditated murder of > the 
most
       > >>helpless
       > >>among us, are enemies.  Those who feel the government is > 
justified in
       > >>taking from one American the fruits of his production, and > 
giving it to
       > >>another who chooses not to produce, are enemies.> > They of 
course would
       > >>prefer not to be regarded as such. Indeed, they may > actually 
regard
       > >>themselves as patriots, but the fact remains that their > 
behavior speaks
       > >>for itself. Irrelevant apples and oranges comparisons > 
notwithstanding.>
       > >> >
       > >>Still fed up with America's domestic enemies,   -Tony> > > > > > 
 > > > > >
       > >> > > >   --Tony> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keely 
emerinemix"
       > >><kjajmix1 at msn.com>> To: <tonytime at clearwire.net>; 
<london at moscow.com>> Cc:
       > >><vision2020 at moscow.com>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:05 PM> 
Subject:
       > >>Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!> > 
 > >
       > >>Because "subversive hippie" Bill London is my friend, and because 
Tony > >
       > >>considers him, me, and others like us to be America's "domestic 
enemies" >
       > >> > when we defend the rights of people to do things that are 
offensive --
       > >> > > such as "desecrating" a flag, as Bill put it -- I feel 
compelled to
       > >>note > > that when we find Tony's speech to be sickening, 
vituperative,
       > >>destructive > > and nasty, we still defend his right to say it.> 
 >> >
       > >>Which, I can't help but think, is a good indicator of one's 
loyalty to the
       > >> > > principles of the Constitution guiding one's nation.  Kinda 
not an
       > >>enemy > > position in my mind.> >> > keely> >> >> > From: "Tony 
Simpson"
       > >><tonytime at clearwire.net>> > To: "Bill London" 
<london at moscow.com>> > CC:
       > >>vision2020 at moscow.com> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate 
freedom, kick
       > >>a flag--burner's ass!> > Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:28:33 -0700> 
 >> > Leave
       > >>it to a subversive Hippie like Bill London to praise those who 
would> >
       > >>burn the American flag.  Pathetic and loathsome.  Flower child 
London > >
       > >>says,> > "If I chose to desecrate a flag by burning it in an open
       > >>place....
       > >>so > > what?> > That is free speech."> >> > What pure, 
unadulterated
       > >>horseshit!  There is no speech involved in such a> > juvenile,
       > >>thoughtless,
       > >>ungrateful and snotnosed activity.  It is> > unpatriotic, 
typically
       > >>liberal
       > >>acting out.  If that is free speech, Billy> > Boy, then it would 
be free
       > >>speech for me to walk up to said burner and > > bury> > my boot a 
foot up
       > >>his terrorist--enabling ass!> >> > Sick to death of America's 
domestic
       > >>enemies,  --TONY> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Bill 
London"
       > >><london at moscow.com>> > To: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>;
       > >><kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>;> > <sslund at adelphia.net>;
       > >><vision2020 at moscow.com>> > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:13 
AM> >
       > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> >> >> > > 
Since
       > >>you
       > >>asked.....> > > a few of my reasons why I think a Constitutional 
amendment
       > >>against> > > desecrating the flag is stupid....> > > 1. what is 
the
       > >>problem?  how many descrated flags are there?> > > 2. if I own 
the flag
       > >>and
       > >>choose to desecrate it by burning it in an open> > > place that 
will not
       > >>cause a general fire, so what?  That is free speech.> > > The 
flag is a
       > >>symbol, and burning it is Constitutionally-protected.> > > 3. 
what is
       > >>desecration?  wearing a flag on the butt of your jeans?> > > 
wrapping> > >
       > >>your used car in flags to sell it at a used car lot?  getting a 
tattoo > >
       > >> > of> > > flag upside down?  Boy Scouts burning old flags?> > > 
BL> > >>
       > >> >  >
       > >> >> > >> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----> > > From: "Matt 
Decker"
       > >><mattd2107 at hotmail.com>> > > To: <london at moscow.com>;
       > >><kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>;> > > <sslund at adelphia.net>;
       > >><vision2020 at moscow.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:21 
PM> > >
       > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> > >> 
 > >> Mr.
       > >>London,> > >>> > >> And just as they should. Why shouldn't the 
congress
       > >>take one day out of> > >> their schedule in order to make flag 
burning an
       > >>offense? If they focus> > on> > >> baseball why not on the flag?> 
 > >>> >
       > >> >> Matt> > >>> > >>> > >> >From: "Bill London" 
<london at moscow.com>> > >>
       > >> >To: "kerry becker" <kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>,> >
       > >><sslund at adelphia.net>,> > >> >     <vision2020 at moscow.com>> > >> 
 >Subject:
       > >>Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> >Date: Thu, 
17 Aug
       > >>2006
       > >>12:33:43 -0700> > >> >> > >> >Yes, it is true that Chicago has 
(for the
       > >>reasons Ms. Lund has> > > enumerated)> > >> >banned foie gras, 
because of
       > >>the disgusting and inhumane way the birds> > > are> > >> 
 >force-fed to
       > >>create these inflated livers.  Chicago has not banned > > >> 
 >duck> > >>
       > >> >liver, only foie gras.> > >> >And as for the reason, it's all a 
question
       > >>of values, as the> > Republicans> > >> >say every year when they 
try to
       > >>amend the US Constitution to end the> > >> >non-existant problem 
of people
       > >>burning US flags.> > >> >BL> > >> >   ----- Original Message 
-----> > >> >
       > >>  From: kerry becker> > >> >   To: sslund at adelphia.net ;
       > >>vision2020 at moscow.com> > >> >   Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 
4:56 PM>
       > >> >
       > >> >> >   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > 
 >> >> >
       > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >   This is absurd.  
The city
       > >>of Chicago has taken the time to ban duck> > >> >liver?? - 
Meanwhile the
       > >>inner city runs rampant with crime, poverty > > >> >and> > >> 
 >drugs.  Odd
       > >>really.> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> >
       > >> 
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       > >> > > -> > >> >> > >> >     From:  "Saundra Lund" 
<sslund at adelphia.net>> >
       > >> >> >     To:  <vision2020 at moscow.com>> > >> >     Subject:  Re:
       > >>[Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> >     Date:  Wed, 
16 Aug
       > >>2006 15:38:46 -0700> > >> >     >Visionaries:> > >> >     >> > >> 
 >     >I
       > >>have debated and debated about whether to post this or not, > > 
 >> > but>
       > >> >
       > >> > I'd> > >> >hate> > >> >     >for an unsuspecting person to go 
to West
       > >> > of
       > >>Paris only to be> > >> >horrified.> > >> >     >> > >> >     >I 
was deeply
       > >>disappointed to see that West of Paris will be> > >> > selling> > 
 >>
       > >> >foie>
       > >> > >> >     >gras:> > >> >
       > >> >http://www.westofparis.com/dinner_menu.html> > >> >     >For 
that reason
       > >>alone, I will refuse to patronize the business,> > no> > >> 
 >matter> > >>
       > >> >
       > >>     >how delicious other menu items look or sound -- it's a 
matter of> >
       > >> >> >ethics for> > >> >     >me.> > >> >     >> > >> >     >The 
process
       > >>used to make foie gras is animal cruelty, pure and> > > simple> > 
 >> >
       > >>:-(((> > >> >     >Fifteen nations (including the UK, the Czech 
Republic,
       > >>Denmark,> > >> >Finland,> > >> >     >Germany, Luxembourg, 
Norway, Poland,
       > >>Sweden, Switzerland, and> > > Israel> > >> >--> > >> >     
 >formerly the
       > >>fourth largest producer in the world) have banned> > >> 
 >force-feeding> >
       > >> >> >     >birds for foie gras production.  The City of Chicago 
has
       > >> >> > banned>
       > >> > >> > the> > >> >sale of> > >> >     >foie gras, and 
Philadelphia is
       > >>likely to follow.  Beginning > > >> > 2012,> > > the> > >> >
       > >> >production and sale of foie gras from force-fed birds will be> 
 > >
       > >>banned> > >> >in the> > >> >     >State of California.> > >> >    
  >> > >>
       > >> >     >I won't go into the horrifying and graphic details of how 
foie> >
       > >> >> > gras> > >> >is> > >> >     >produced, but for those who 
want to
       > >> >> > learn
       > >>more, you can check> > out:> > >> >
       > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras> > >> >     >You can 
also Google
       > >>it, but WARNING:  there's a lot of deeply> > >> >disturbing> > >> 
 >
       > >> >(although accurate) information and photos you'll find.> > >> > 
     >> >
       > >> >> >     >Very disappointing that foie gras will be sold in 
*any* Moscow>
       > >> > >> >restaurant> > >> >     >:-(((> > >> >     >> > >> >     >> 
 > >> >
       > >>  >JMNSHO,> > >> >     >Saundra Lund> > >> >     >Moscow, ID> > 
 >> >
       > >>  >>
       > >> > >> >     >The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is 
for good>
       > >> > >> > people> > >> >to do> > >> >     >nothing.> > >> >     >- 
Edmund
       > >>Burke> > >> >     >> > >> >     >***** Original material 
contained herein
       > >>is Copyright 2006,> > >> > Saundra> > >> >Lund.> > >> >     >Do 
not copy,
       > >>forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision> > >> > 2020> > 
 >>
       > >> >forum> > >> >     >without the express written permission of 
the
       > >>author.*****> > >> >     >> > >> >     >-----Original 
Message-----> > >> >
       > >>    >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com> > >>
       > >> >[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]> > >> >     >On Behalf 
Of Daniel
       > >>Foucachon> > >> >     >Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:59 PM> > 
 >> >
       > >> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com> > >> >     >Subject: [Vision2020] 
West of
       > >>Paris, Grand Opening> > >> >     >> > >> >     >  West of > > >> 
 >
       > >>Paris<http://www.westofparis.com/images/west_paris.gif>> > >> >   
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       > >>Opening> > >> >     >Friday, August 18th, 2006> > >> >     >> > 
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