[Vision2020] For the love of a REAL woman......
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Tue Aug 22 11:17:05 PDT 2006
Whew. I was worried that Tony would answer James with hostility or
something . . .
keely
From: "Tony Simpson" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
To: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] For the love of a REAL woman......
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:44:01 -0700
JAMES, you accuse me of hostility, just prior to launching into a hostile
tirade of your own in a lame attempt to rationalize murder. Men, you say,
are not very nurturing. Speak for yourself man. I have half custody of 3
children who I am raising ALONE with much love and tenderness. Just because
YOU may have failed to nurture the souls of YOUR children does not mean that
every other guy is equally negligent.
You accuse me of wanting to "dominate" women. HOGWASH! I adore women, but
genuine, feminine women, not the competitive and shrill harpies who dominate
the left. I do not demean real women, fact is, James, I'm an EXPERT on the
treatment of real women, in and out of bed. Better than you will EVER be.
But if you want me to talk nice with some masculine, man - hater who demands
the "right" to murder her own offspring, your S.O.L.
Hope this clears up your confusion, -Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: James Reynolds
To: g. crabtree ; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] License is NOT freedom, dingbat!
Gary and Tony,
I really only got onto this thread because Tony was becoming a bit too
hostile to others on the site and I felt it my duty to deflect his anger
toward me. It is just a habit of mine to engage against unwarranted
agression. I am older now, but my blood still boils. Now that I am in the
middle of this with a couple of genuine right-wing nuts, I will try to
entertain you with my thoughts.
I am not sure of when the assignment of souls occurs during a childs
development and by your tones I don't believe you have a clue. Spiritual
leaders differ in their understandings also but the assignment of a
particular soul to a child is widely used to explain why humans are what we
are. I have read on the biological development and some on what spiritual
leaders think and have come understanding that it isn't until late in
pregnancy. Some spiritual leaders even think the assignment is some time
after birth. My thought is that if the assignment of soul has not yet
happened before an abortion then the assignment would occur at a later
inception. Storks don't really bring babies Gary, that is just in the books
you read. The biological evidence of the later assignment of the soul, to
me, comes form the observation that ontogeny does repeat phylogeny. it would
not make sense to give a human soul to something with gill slits or just a
notochord.
My practical stand on the issue of abortion is that it is something for
women to figure out and for men to back them on their decision. It seems to
me to be very unlikely that Tony is the nurturing person that he tries to
portray to be concerning abortion. Most men, including myself are simply not
very nurturing. What is more likely is that Tony wants man to dominate
woman. He has expressed a non-nurturing attitude in volumes on this list and
has also demonstrated a demeaning attitude toward women on this list. As a
little guidance to Tony I would offer to him that a man doesn't and
shouldn't feel the need to dominate a woman. it is unnecessary and
counterproductive to a healthy life for both involved for a man to try and
lord himself over women and it will usually end in a terminated
relationship. I think a lot of men don't know how to handle their warrior
self because they were not taught properly to begin with. Women are to be
revered and protected form physical harm by man. That is man's primary duty.
The rest of life will take care of itself if you pick up on that. How many
children do you think would be on this earth if there wasn't this basic
exchange going on? A good example of this strategy comes from Christian
doctrine. Remember that the two most important men in the Christian religion
were born without the influence of man but but both Zecharia (sp) and Joseph
took their manly chores and supported Elizabeth and Mary. Use this as an
example and don't assert your manly selves into the realm that belongs to
woman and God. Us men are the warriors and will always be hounded by this.
When jesus was born what did man do? He killed all of the babes in the land
to fulfill some awful destiny that is our curse. We need to keep a handle on
this fellows.
One thing we men can do to reduce unwanted pregnancies and so abortions
is to find strict punishments for the men who cause such pregnancies. A good
punishment might be...to paraphrase Tony... is to rip the genitals from the
offending male, cut them to pieces and throw them in the trash.
I would like to continue with your teachings on proper manly behavior but
I must now go to work. Later gentlemen.
James
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From: jampot at adelphia.net
To: chapandmaize at hotmail.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] License is NOT freedom, dingbat!
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:48:45 -0700
Come back at a later date? What, on the back of a stork? And where,
exactly does little Freddy or Freda Fetus hang in the interim? Is there a
departure lounge someplace that I'm unaware of? This could well be the
oddest thing I've read on the V ever.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: James Reynolds
To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] License is NOT freedom, dingbat!
Tony,
Since you want to speak for the unborn I shall also. I would bet that
a fetus conceived at some totally inopportune moment in in a woman's life
would rather come back at a later date when the mother could give her best
to the child. I think it is far more appropriate for the woman in question
to make the decision if the time was right.....not some right-winged nut
job. I think a child would think the same thing.
Your little argument about License versus Freedom is very tricky tony
but stupid. Of course the definitions are different or there wouldn't be the
two words but the freedom to give License is a freedom just the same. If you
want to disallow the ability to give License then you are curtailing
freedom. You probably got this little tidbit from a Carl Rove handout. It
sounds as dumb assed as he is.
James
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> From: tonytime at clearwire.net
> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:23:54 -0700
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] License is NOT freedom, dingbat!
>
> James,
>
> You ask how I can oppose flag burning and still claim to support
freedom.
> Answer: You confuse freedom with license. Flag burning is no more
an
> expression of speech than is yelling fire in a crowded theater.
Liberals
> always take a ridiculous, anything goes approach to freedom, not
recognizing
> that with freedom comes responsibility.
>
> You ask How I can deny marriage to gays and claim to support
freedom. I am
> advocating that the institution of marriage not be destroyed by the
> licentious behavior of the militant homosexual community. This is
> supportive of the right of the vast majority to not have their
institutions
> assaulted.
>
> You ask how I can support the right of unborn Americans not to be
savagely
> ripped from the womb and trash canned, while claiming to support
freedom.
> James, I would bet that these innocents, so brutally murdered by
> abortionists, would appreciate my support of their freedom to
survive and
> grow.
>
> You say that I come across as mean spirited, yet it is you who
wishes to
> destroy America's foundational institutions. It is you who would
assist
> those thoughtless punks who burn the flag. It is you who callously
act as
> an accessory to the premeditated snuffing out of innocent life.
>
> Forget it buddy, keep your confused thinking, lack of proper
perspective and
> moral bankruptsy away from me.
>
> Refusing to cow down to those who would enable child killing and
flag
> burning, --Tony
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
>
>
> > Tony favors retaining the right to free expression to those who
share
> > opinions approved of by him and other statists.
> >
> > Sunil
> >
> >
> >>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
> >>To: <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> >>CC: Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a
flag--burner's
> >>ass!
> >>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:04:05 -0700
> >>
> >>This line is what makes your arguments hollow Tony.
> >>
> >>"Those who consistently favor state control verses local autonomy
and
> >>freedom, are enemies."
> >>
> >>How can you advocate all the controls to be placed upon the
citizenry (no
> >>flags will be burned, no gays will be wed, no women will have
abortion
> >>etc...) and yet claim to be for freedom. I think you are your own
worst
> >>enemy. You come across as a mean spirited crass individual who
only wishes
> >>to lord his will over others.
> >>
> >>Forget it buddy, keep your controlling ideas away from me.
> >>
> >>James
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > From: tonytime at clearwire.net> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com> Date: Mon,
21 Aug
> >>2006 01:34:17 -0700> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020]
> >>Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!> > Yes Keely, you
might
> >>support my right to free speech, as it is acknowledged > within
the Bill
> >>of
> >>Rights. That is nice and all, but irrelevant. Flag > burning is
not
> >>speech. It is thoughtless and ungrateful acting out, as I >
correctly
> >>noted in my original post.> > Those who consistently support
policies
> >>which
> >>would favor America's enemies > are enemies as well. Those who
> >>consistently favor state control verses > local autonomy and
freedom, are
> >>enemies. Those who wish to disarm peaceful > citizens, leaving
them and
> >>their families vulnerable to state tyranny or > civilian crime,
are
> >>enemies. Those who advocate the premeditated murder of > the
most
> >>helpless
> >>among us, are enemies. Those who feel the government is >
justified in
> >>taking from one American the fruits of his production, and >
giving it to
> >>another who chooses not to produce, are enemies.> > They of
course would
> >>prefer not to be regarded as such. Indeed, they may > actually
regard
> >>themselves as patriots, but the fact remains that their >
behavior speaks
> >>for itself. Irrelevant apples and oranges comparisons >
notwithstanding.>
> >> >
> >>Still fed up with America's domestic enemies, -Tony> > > > > >
> > > > >
> >> > > > --Tony> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keely
emerinemix"
> >><kjajmix1 at msn.com>> To: <tonytime at clearwire.net>;
<london at moscow.com>> Cc:
> >><vision2020 at moscow.com>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:05 PM>
Subject:
> >>Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!> >
> >
> >>Because "subversive hippie" Bill London is my friend, and because
Tony > >
> >>considers him, me, and others like us to be America's "domestic
enemies" >
> >> > when we defend the rights of people to do things that are
offensive --
> >> > > such as "desecrating" a flag, as Bill put it -- I feel
compelled to
> >>note > > that when we find Tony's speech to be sickening,
vituperative,
> >>destructive > > and nasty, we still defend his right to say it.>
>> >
> >>Which, I can't help but think, is a good indicator of one's
loyalty to the
> >> > > principles of the Constitution guiding one's nation. Kinda
not an
> >>enemy > > position in my mind.> >> > keely> >> >> > From: "Tony
Simpson"
> >><tonytime at clearwire.net>> > To: "Bill London"
<london at moscow.com>> > CC:
> >>vision2020 at moscow.com> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate
freedom, kick
> >>a flag--burner's ass!> > Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:28:33 -0700>
>> > Leave
> >>it to a subversive Hippie like Bill London to praise those who
would> >
> >>burn the American flag. Pathetic and loathsome. Flower child
London > >
> >>says,> > "If I chose to desecrate a flag by burning it in an open
> >>place....
> >>so > > what?> > That is free speech."> >> > What pure,
unadulterated
> >>horseshit! There is no speech involved in such a> > juvenile,
> >>thoughtless,
> >>ungrateful and snotnosed activity. It is> > unpatriotic,
typically
> >>liberal
> >>acting out. If that is free speech, Billy> > Boy, then it would
be free
> >>speech for me to walk up to said burner and > > bury> > my boot a
foot up
> >>his terrorist--enabling ass!> >> > Sick to death of America's
domestic
> >>enemies, --TONY> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Bill
London"
> >><london at moscow.com>> > To: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>;
> >><kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>;> > <sslund at adelphia.net>;
> >><vision2020 at moscow.com>> > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:13
AM> >
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> >> >> > >
Since
> >>you
> >>asked.....> > > a few of my reasons why I think a Constitutional
amendment
> >>against> > > desecrating the flag is stupid....> > > 1. what is
the
> >>problem? how many descrated flags are there?> > > 2. if I own
the flag
> >>and
> >>choose to desecrate it by burning it in an open> > > place that
will not
> >>cause a general fire, so what? That is free speech.> > > The
flag is a
> >>symbol, and burning it is Constitutionally-protected.> > > 3.
what is
> >>desecration? wearing a flag on the butt of your jeans?> > >
wrapping> > >
> >>your used car in flags to sell it at a used car lot? getting a
tattoo > >
> >> > of> > > flag upside down? Boy Scouts burning old flags?> > >
BL> > >>
> >> > >
> >> >> > >> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----> > > From: "Matt
Decker"
> >><mattd2107 at hotmail.com>> > > To: <london at moscow.com>;
> >><kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>;> > > <sslund at adelphia.net>;
> >><vision2020 at moscow.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:21
PM> > >
> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> > >>
> >> Mr.
> >>London,> > >>> > >> And just as they should. Why shouldn't the
congress
> >>take one day out of> > >> their schedule in order to make flag
burning an
> >>offense? If they focus> > on> > >> baseball why not on the flag?>
> >>> >
> >> >> Matt> > >>> > >>> > >> >From: "Bill London"
<london at moscow.com>> > >>
> >> >To: "kerry becker" <kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>,> >
> >><sslund at adelphia.net>,> > >> > <vision2020 at moscow.com>> > >>
>Subject:
> >>Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> >Date: Thu,
17 Aug
> >>2006
> >>12:33:43 -0700> > >> >> > >> >Yes, it is true that Chicago has
(for the
> >>reasons Ms. Lund has> > > enumerated)> > >> >banned foie gras,
because of
> >>the disgusting and inhumane way the birds> > > are> > >>
>force-fed to
> >>create these inflated livers. Chicago has not banned > > >>
>duck> > >>
> >> >liver, only foie gras.> > >> >And as for the reason, it's all a
question
> >>of values, as the> > Republicans> > >> >say every year when they
try to
> >>amend the US Constitution to end the> > >> >non-existant problem
of people
> >>burning US flags.> > >> >BL> > >> > ----- Original Message
-----> > >> >
> >> From: kerry becker> > >> > To: sslund at adelphia.net ;
> >>vision2020 at moscow.com> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006
4:56 PM>
> >> >
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> >
>> >> >
> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > This is absurd.
The city
> >>of Chicago has taken the time to ban duck> > >> >liver?? -
Meanwhile the
> >>inner city runs rampant with crime, poverty > > >> >and> > >>
>drugs. Odd
> >>really.> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> >
> >>
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> >> > > -> > >> >> > >> > From: "Saundra Lund"
<sslund at adelphia.net>> >
> >> >> > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>> > >> > Subject: Re:
> >>[Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> > Date: Wed,
16 Aug
> >>2006 15:38:46 -0700> > >> > >Visionaries:> > >> > >> > >>
> >I
> >>have debated and debated about whether to post this or not, > >
>> > but>
> >> >
> >> > I'd> > >> >hate> > >> > >for an unsuspecting person to go
to West
> >> > of
> >>Paris only to be> > >> >horrified.> > >> > >> > >> > >I
was deeply
> >>disappointed to see that West of Paris will be> > >> > selling> >
>>
> >> >foie>
> >> > >> > >gras:> > >> >
> >> >http://www.westofparis.com/dinner_menu.html> > >> > >For
that reason
> >>alone, I will refuse to patronize the business,> > no> > >>
>matter> > >>
> >> >
> >> >how delicious other menu items look or sound -- it's a
matter of> >
> >> >> >ethics for> > >> > >me.> > >> > >> > >> > >The
process
> >>used to make foie gras is animal cruelty, pure and> > > simple> >
>> >
> >>:-(((> > >> > >Fifteen nations (including the UK, the Czech
Republic,
> >>Denmark,> > >> >Finland,> > >> > >Germany, Luxembourg,
Norway, Poland,
> >>Sweden, Switzerland, and> > > Israel> > >> >--> > >> >
>formerly the
> >>fourth largest producer in the world) have banned> > >>
>force-feeding> >
> >> >> > >birds for foie gras production. The City of Chicago
has
> >> >> > banned>
> >> > >> > the> > >> >sale of> > >> > >foie gras, and
Philadelphia is
> >>likely to follow. Beginning > > >> > 2012,> > > the> > >> >
> >> >production and sale of foie gras from force-fed birds will be>
> >
> >>banned> > >> >in the> > >> > >State of California.> > >> >
>> > >>
> >> > >I won't go into the horrifying and graphic details of how
foie> >
> >> >> > gras> > >> >is> > >> > >produced, but for those who
want to
> >> >> > learn
> >>more, you can check> > out:> > >> >
> >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras> > >> > >You can
also Google
> >>it, but WARNING: there's a lot of deeply> > >> >disturbing> > >>
>
> >> >(although accurate) information and photos you'll find.> > >> >
>> >
> >> >> > >Very disappointing that foie gras will be sold in
*any* Moscow>
> >> > >> >restaurant> > >> > >:-(((> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> >> >
> >> >JMNSHO,> > >> > >Saundra Lund> > >> > >Moscow, ID> >
>> >
> >> >>
> >> > >> > >The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is
for good>
> >> > >> > people> > >> >to do> > >> > >nothing.> > >> > >-
Edmund
> >>Burke> > >> > >> > >> > >***** Original material
contained herein
> >>is Copyright 2006,> > >> > Saundra> > >> >Lund.> > >> > >Do
not copy,
> >>forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision> > >> > 2020> >
>>
> >> >forum> > >> > >without the express written permission of
the
> >>author.*****> > >> > >> > >> > >-----Original
Message-----> > >> >
> >> >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com> > >>
> >> >[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]> > >> > >On Behalf
Of Daniel
> >>Foucachon> > >> > >Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:59 PM> >
>> >
> >> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com> > >> > >Subject: [Vision2020]
West of
> >>Paris, Grand Opening> > >> > >> > >> > > West of > > >>
>
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