[Vision2020] Celebrate freedom
Sunil Ramalingam
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Mon Aug 21 07:49:28 PDT 2006
Tony favors retaining the right to free expression to those who share
opinions approved of by him and other statists.
Sunil
>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>To: <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>CC: Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!
>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:04:05 -0700
>
>This line is what makes your arguments hollow Tony.
>
>"Those who consistently favor state control verses local autonomy and
>freedom, are enemies."
>
>How can you advocate all the controls to be placed upon the citizenry (no
>flags will be burned, no gays will be wed, no women will have abortion
>etc...) and yet claim to be for freedom. I think you are your own worst
>enemy. You come across as a mean spirited crass individual who only wishes
>to lord his will over others.
>
>Forget it buddy, keep your controlling ideas away from me.
>
>James
>
>
>
> > From: tonytime at clearwire.net> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug
>2006 01:34:17 -0700> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
>Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!> > Yes Keely, you might
>support my right to free speech, as it is acknowledged > within the Bill of
>Rights. That is nice and all, but irrelevant. Flag > burning is not
>speech. It is thoughtless and ungrateful acting out, as I > correctly
>noted in my original post.> > Those who consistently support policies which
>would favor America's enemies > are enemies as well. Those who
>consistently favor state control verses > local autonomy and freedom, are
>enemies. Those who wish to disarm peaceful > citizens, leaving them and
>their families vulnerable to state tyranny or > civilian crime, are
>enemies. Those who advocate the premeditated murder of > the most helpless
>among us, are enemies. Those who feel the government is > justified in
>taking from one American the fruits of his production, and > giving it to
>another who chooses not to produce, are enemies.> > They of course would
>prefer not to be regarded as such. Indeed, they may > actually regard
>themselves as patriots, but the fact remains that their > behavior speaks
>for itself. Irrelevant apples and oranges comparisons > notwithstanding.> >
>Still fed up with America's domestic enemies, -Tony> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > --Tony> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keely emerinemix"
><kjajmix1 at msn.com>> To: <tonytime at clearwire.net>; <london at moscow.com>> Cc:
><vision2020 at moscow.com>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:05 PM> Subject:
>Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!> > > >
>Because "subversive hippie" Bill London is my friend, and because Tony > >
>considers him, me, and others like us to be America's "domestic enemies" >
> > when we defend the rights of people to do things that are offensive --
> > > such as "desecrating" a flag, as Bill put it -- I feel compelled to
>note > > that when we find Tony's speech to be sickening, vituperative,
>destructive > > and nasty, we still defend his right to say it.> >> >
>Which, I can't help but think, is a good indicator of one's loyalty to the
> > > principles of the Constitution guiding one's nation. Kinda not an
>enemy > > position in my mind.> >> > keely> >> >> > From: "Tony Simpson"
><tonytime at clearwire.net>> > To: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>> > CC:
>vision2020 at moscow.com> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick
>a flag--burner's ass!> > Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:28:33 -0700> >> > Leave
>it to a subversive Hippie like Bill London to praise those who would> >
>burn the American flag. Pathetic and loathsome. Flower child London > >
>says,> > "If I chose to desecrate a flag by burning it in an open place....
>so > > what?> > That is free speech."> >> > What pure, unadulterated
>horseshit! There is no speech involved in such a> > juvenile, thoughtless,
>ungrateful and snotnosed activity. It is> > unpatriotic, typically liberal
>acting out. If that is free speech, Billy> > Boy, then it would be free
>speech for me to walk up to said burner and > > bury> > my boot a foot up
>his terrorist--enabling ass!> >> > Sick to death of America's domestic
>enemies, --TONY> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Bill London"
><london at moscow.com>> > To: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>;
><kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>;> > <sslund at adelphia.net>;
><vision2020 at moscow.com>> > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:13 AM> >
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> >> >> > > Since you
>asked.....> > > a few of my reasons why I think a Constitutional amendment
>against> > > desecrating the flag is stupid....> > > 1. what is the
>problem? how many descrated flags are there?> > > 2. if I own the flag and
>choose to desecrate it by burning it in an open> > > place that will not
>cause a general fire, so what? That is free speech.> > > The flag is a
>symbol, and burning it is Constitutionally-protected.> > > 3. what is
>desecration? wearing a flag on the butt of your jeans?> > > wrapping> > >
>your used car in flags to sell it at a used car lot? getting a tattoo > >
> > of> > > flag upside down? Boy Scouts burning old flags?> > > BL> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----> > > From: "Matt Decker"
><mattd2107 at hotmail.com>> > > To: <london at moscow.com>;
><kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>;> > > <sslund at adelphia.net>;
><vision2020 at moscow.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:21 PM> > >
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> > >> > >> Mr.
>London,> > >>> > >> And just as they should. Why shouldn't the congress
>take one day out of> > >> their schedule in order to make flag burning an
>offense? If they focus> > on> > >> baseball why not on the flag?> > >>> >
> >> Matt> > >>> > >>> > >> >From: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>> > >>
> >To: "kerry becker" <kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>,> >
><sslund at adelphia.net>,> > >> > <vision2020 at moscow.com>> > >> >Subject:
>Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006
>12:33:43 -0700> > >> >> > >> >Yes, it is true that Chicago has (for the
>reasons Ms. Lund has> > > enumerated)> > >> >banned foie gras, because of
>the disgusting and inhumane way the birds> > > are> > >> >force-fed to
>create these inflated livers. Chicago has not banned > > >> >duck> > >>
> >liver, only foie gras.> > >> >And as for the reason, it's all a question
>of values, as the> > Republicans> > >> >say every year when they try to
>amend the US Constitution to end the> > >> >non-existant problem of people
>burning US flags.> > >> >BL> > >> > ----- Original Message -----> > >> >
> From: kerry becker> > >> > To: sslund at adelphia.net ;
>vision2020 at moscow.com> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:56 PM> >
> >> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> >> >
> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > This is absurd. The city
>of Chicago has taken the time to ban duck> > >> >liver?? - Meanwhile the
>inner city runs rampant with crime, poverty > > >> >and> > >> >drugs. Odd
>really.> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> >
> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------->
> > > -> > >> >> > >> > From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>> >
> >> > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>> > >> > Subject: Re:
>[Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> > Date: Wed, 16 Aug
>2006 15:38:46 -0700> > >> > >Visionaries:> > >> > >> > >> > >I
>have debated and debated about whether to post this or not, > > >> > but> >
> > I'd> > >> >hate> > >> > >for an unsuspecting person to go to West of
>Paris only to be> > >> >horrified.> > >> > >> > >> > >I was deeply
>disappointed to see that West of Paris will be> > >> > selling> > >> >foie>
> > >> > >gras:> > >> >
> >http://www.westofparis.com/dinner_menu.html> > >> > >For that reason
>alone, I will refuse to patronize the business,> > no> > >> >matter> > >> >
> >how delicious other menu items look or sound -- it's a matter of> >
> >> >ethics for> > >> > >me.> > >> > >> > >> > >The process
>used to make foie gras is animal cruelty, pure and> > > simple> > >> >
>:-(((> > >> > >Fifteen nations (including the UK, the Czech Republic,
>Denmark,> > >> >Finland,> > >> > >Germany, Luxembourg, Norway, Poland,
>Sweden, Switzerland, and> > > Israel> > >> >--> > >> > >formerly the
>fourth largest producer in the world) have banned> > >> >force-feeding> >
> >> > >birds for foie gras production. The City of Chicago has banned>
> > >> > the> > >> >sale of> > >> > >foie gras, and Philadelphia is
>likely to follow. Beginning > > >> > 2012,> > > the> > >> >
> >production and sale of foie gras from force-fed birds will be> > >
>banned> > >> >in the> > >> > >State of California.> > >> > >> > >>
> > >I won't go into the horrifying and graphic details of how foie> >
> >> > gras> > >> >is> > >> > >produced, but for those who want to learn
>more, you can check> > out:> > >> >
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras> > >> > >You can also Google
>it, but WARNING: there's a lot of deeply> > >> >disturbing> > >> >
> >(although accurate) information and photos you'll find.> > >> > >> >
> >> > >Very disappointing that foie gras will be sold in *any* Moscow>
> > >> >restaurant> > >> > >:-(((> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >
> >JMNSHO,> > >> > >Saundra Lund> > >> > >Moscow, ID> > >> > >>
> > >> > >The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good>
> > >> > people> > >> >to do> > >> > >nothing.> > >> > >- Edmund
>Burke> > >> > >> > >> > >***** Original material contained herein
>is Copyright 2006,> > >> > Saundra> > >> >Lund.> > >> > >Do not copy,
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> >forum> > >> > >without the express written permission of the
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> >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com> > >>
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>Foucachon> > >> > >Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:59 PM> > >> >
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com> > >> > >Subject: [Vision2020] West of
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