[Vision2020] Celebrate freedom

Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Mon Aug 21 07:49:28 PDT 2006


Tony favors retaining the right to free expression to those who share 
opinions approved of by him and other statists.

Sunil


>From: "James Reynolds" <chapandmaize at hotmail.com>
>To: <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>CC: Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!
>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:04:05 -0700
>
>This line is what makes your arguments hollow Tony.
>
>"Those who consistently favor state control verses local autonomy and 
>freedom, are enemies."
>
>How can you advocate all the controls to be placed upon the citizenry (no 
>flags will be burned, no gays will be wed, no women will have abortion 
>etc...) and yet claim to be for freedom. I think you are your own worst 
>enemy. You come across as a mean spirited crass individual who only wishes 
>to lord his will over others.
>
>Forget it buddy, keep your controlling ideas away from me.
>
>James
>
>
>
> > From: tonytime at clearwire.net> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 
>2006 01:34:17 -0700> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 
>Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!> > Yes Keely, you might 
>support my right to free speech, as it is acknowledged > within the Bill of 
>Rights.  That is nice and all, but irrelevant.  Flag > burning is not 
>speech.  It is thoughtless and ungrateful acting out, as I > correctly 
>noted in my original post.> > Those who consistently support policies which 
>would favor America's enemies > are enemies as well.  Those who 
>consistently favor state control verses > local autonomy and freedom, are 
>enemies.  Those who wish to disarm peaceful > citizens, leaving them and 
>their families vulnerable to state tyranny or > civilian crime, are 
>enemies.  Those who advocate the premeditated murder of > the most helpless 
>among us, are enemies.  Those who feel the government is > justified in 
>taking from one American the fruits of his production, and > giving it to 
>another who chooses not to produce, are enemies.> > They of course would 
>prefer not to be regarded as such. Indeed, they may > actually regard 
>themselves as patriots, but the fact remains that their > behavior speaks 
>for itself. Irrelevant apples and oranges comparisons > notwithstanding.> > 
>Still fed up with America's domestic enemies,   -Tony> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > >   --Tony> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keely emerinemix" 
><kjajmix1 at msn.com>> To: <tonytime at clearwire.net>; <london at moscow.com>> Cc: 
><vision2020 at moscow.com>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:05 PM> Subject: 
>Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick a flag--burner's ass!> > > > 
>Because "subversive hippie" Bill London is my friend, and because Tony > > 
>considers him, me, and others like us to be America's "domestic enemies" > 
> > when we defend the rights of people to do things that are offensive --  
> > > such as "desecrating" a flag, as Bill put it -- I feel compelled to 
>note > > that when we find Tony's speech to be sickening, vituperative, 
>destructive > > and nasty, we still defend his right to say it.> >> > 
>Which, I can't help but think, is a good indicator of one's loyalty to the 
> > > principles of the Constitution guiding one's nation.  Kinda not an 
>enemy > > position in my mind.> >> > keely> >> >> > From: "Tony Simpson" 
><tonytime at clearwire.net>> > To: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>> > CC: 
>vision2020 at moscow.com> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Celebrate freedom, kick 
>a flag--burner's ass!> > Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:28:33 -0700> >> > Leave 
>it to a subversive Hippie like Bill London to praise those who would> > 
>burn the American flag.  Pathetic and loathsome.  Flower child London > > 
>says,> > "If I chose to desecrate a flag by burning it in an open place.... 
>so > > what?> > That is free speech."> >> > What pure, unadulterated 
>horseshit!  There is no speech involved in such a> > juvenile, thoughtless, 
>ungrateful and snotnosed activity.  It is> > unpatriotic, typically liberal 
>acting out.  If that is free speech, Billy> > Boy, then it would be free 
>speech for me to walk up to said burner and > > bury> > my boot a foot up 
>his terrorist--enabling ass!> >> > Sick to death of America's domestic 
>enemies,  --TONY> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Bill London" 
><london at moscow.com>> > To: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>; 
><kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>;> > <sslund at adelphia.net>; 
><vision2020 at moscow.com>> > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:13 AM> > 
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> >> >> > > Since you 
>asked.....> > > a few of my reasons why I think a Constitutional amendment 
>against> > > desecrating the flag is stupid....> > > 1. what is the 
>problem?  how many descrated flags are there?> > > 2. if I own the flag and 
>choose to desecrate it by burning it in an open> > > place that will not 
>cause a general fire, so what?  That is free speech.> > > The flag is a 
>symbol, and burning it is Constitutionally-protected.> > > 3. what is 
>desecration?  wearing a flag on the butt of your jeans?> > > wrapping> > > 
>your used car in flags to sell it at a used car lot?  getting a tattoo > > 
> > of> > > flag upside down?  Boy Scouts burning old flags?> > > BL> > >> > 
> >> > >> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----> > > From: "Matt Decker" 
><mattd2107 at hotmail.com>> > > To: <london at moscow.com>; 
><kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>;> > > <sslund at adelphia.net>; 
><vision2020 at moscow.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:21 PM> > > 
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> > >> > >> Mr. 
>London,> > >>> > >> And just as they should. Why shouldn't the congress 
>take one day out of> > >> their schedule in order to make flag burning an 
>offense? If they focus> > on> > >> baseball why not on the flag?> > >>> > 
> >> Matt> > >>> > >>> > >> >From: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>> > >> 
> >To: "kerry becker" <kerrybecker6924 at hotmail.com>,> > 
><sslund at adelphia.net>,> > >> >     <vision2020 at moscow.com>> > >> >Subject: 
>Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 
>12:33:43 -0700> > >> >> > >> >Yes, it is true that Chicago has (for the 
>reasons Ms. Lund has> > > enumerated)> > >> >banned foie gras, because of 
>the disgusting and inhumane way the birds> > > are> > >> >force-fed to 
>create these inflated livers.  Chicago has not banned > > >> >duck> > >> 
> >liver, only foie gras.> > >> >And as for the reason, it's all a question 
>of values, as the> > Republicans> > >> >say every year when they try to 
>amend the US Constitution to end the> > >> >non-existant problem of people 
>burning US flags.> > >> >BL> > >> >   ----- Original Message -----> > >> >  
>  From: kerry becker> > >> >   To: sslund at adelphia.net ; 
>vision2020 at moscow.com> > >> >   Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:56 PM> > 
> >> >   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> >> > 
> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >   This is absurd.  The city 
>of Chicago has taken the time to ban duck> > >> >liver?? - Meanwhile the 
>inner city runs rampant with crime, poverty > > >> >and> > >> >drugs.  Odd 
>really.> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> > 
> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------> 
> > > -> > >> >> > >> >     From:  "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>> > 
> >> >     To:  <vision2020 at moscow.com>> > >> >     Subject:  Re: 
>[Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening> > >> >     Date:  Wed, 16 Aug 
>2006 15:38:46 -0700> > >> >     >Visionaries:> > >> >     >> > >> >     >I 
>have debated and debated about whether to post this or not, > > >> > but> > 
> > I'd> > >> >hate> > >> >     >for an unsuspecting person to go to West of 
>Paris only to be> > >> >horrified.> > >> >     >> > >> >     >I was deeply 
>disappointed to see that West of Paris will be> > >> > selling> > >> >foie> 
> > >> >     >gras:> > >> >     
> >http://www.westofparis.com/dinner_menu.html> > >> >     >For that reason 
>alone, I will refuse to patronize the business,> > no> > >> >matter> > >> > 
>     >how delicious other menu items look or sound -- it's a matter of> > 
> >> >ethics for> > >> >     >me.> > >> >     >> > >> >     >The process 
>used to make foie gras is animal cruelty, pure and> > > simple> > >> >  
>:-(((> > >> >     >Fifteen nations (including the UK, the Czech Republic, 
>Denmark,> > >> >Finland,> > >> >     >Germany, Luxembourg, Norway, Poland, 
>Sweden, Switzerland, and> > > Israel> > >> >--> > >> >     >formerly the 
>fourth largest producer in the world) have banned> > >> >force-feeding> > 
> >> >     >birds for foie gras production.  The City of Chicago has banned> 
> > >> > the> > >> >sale of> > >> >     >foie gras, and Philadelphia is 
>likely to follow.  Beginning > > >> > 2012,> > > the> > >> >     
> >production and sale of foie gras from force-fed birds will be> > > 
>banned> > >> >in the> > >> >     >State of California.> > >> >     >> > >> 
> >     >I won't go into the horrifying and graphic details of how foie> > 
> >> > gras> > >> >is> > >> >     >produced, but for those who want to learn 
>more, you can check> > out:> > >> >     
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras> > >> >     >You can also Google 
>it, but WARNING:  there's a lot of deeply> > >> >disturbing> > >> >     
> >(although accurate) information and photos you'll find.> > >> >     >> > 
> >> >     >Very disappointing that foie gras will be sold in *any* Moscow> 
> > >> >restaurant> > >> >     >:-(((> > >> >     >> > >> >     >> > >> >    
>  >JMNSHO,> > >> >     >Saundra Lund> > >> >     >Moscow, ID> > >> >     >> 
> > >> >     >The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good> 
> > >> > people> > >> >to do> > >> >     >nothing.> > >> >     >- Edmund 
>Burke> > >> >     >> > >> >     >***** Original material contained herein 
>is Copyright 2006,> > >> > Saundra> > >> >Lund.> > >> >     >Do not copy, 
>forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision> > >> > 2020> > >> 
> >forum> > >> >     >without the express written permission of the 
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>    >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com> > >> 
> >[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]> > >> >     >On Behalf Of Daniel 
>Foucachon> > >> >     >Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:59 PM> > >> >     
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com> > >> >     >Subject: [Vision2020] West of 
>Paris, Grand Opening> > >> >     >> > >> >     >  West of > > >> > 
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