[Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening

[Joe Campbell]

Interesting, relevant quote passed along to me from a friend:

"Implicit in the term 'national defense' is the notion of defending those 
values and ideas which set this Nation apart. . . . It would indeed be 
ironic if, in the name of national defense, we would sanction the subversion 
of . . . those liberties . . . which makes the defense of the Nation 
worthwhile." 
 
- Chief Justice Earl Warren (1967) 

--
Joe Campbell

---- Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote: 

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Paul,

Symbolic expression? What? Our enemies burn flags and our citizens should 
not take note, but rather have rational discussion, such as the great Martin 
Lurther King did. I don't recall him burning flags all in the great name of 
symbolic distaste of our country. I agree that flag burning is an expression 
of opinion, but it doesn't make it right. Its time to make this practice 
illegal.

The day that I'll agree with this practice is the day you agree that every 
willing citizen we be able to take a pop shot at the burners face. Veterens 
will get two.

"Frothing" flag lover out.
Matt


>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening
>Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:26:45 -0700
>
>Also, burning the flag is a symbolic statement and an expression of an 
>opinion.  Are we such a weak country that we can't take a little mockery?  
>That a statement like that would have us frothing at the mouth and 
>overreacting to it?  I thought we were more sensible than that.
>
>If a person can't express their dissent in a supposedly free country, then 
>that country is no longer free.
>
>Maybe we should be listening to them, just to make sure they don't have a 
>valid point.  If they do, then maybe we should try to fix the problem 
>instead of banning the expression of it.
>
>Paul
>
>Joe Campbell wrote:
>
>>Matt,
>>
>>I agree that burning the flag is wrong, plain and simple. But as Andreas 
>>points out, a law against such actions would be counter to both the 
>>Constitution and the very principles of freedom on which this country is 
>>built. That seems like a much greater wrong.
>>
>>Furthermore, my guess is that, were a law against flag burning passed, it 
>>would only increase the number of flag's burned. Does anyone know the 
>>number of flags that have been burned in, say, the last year? I bet it is 
>>relatively small. But think of how many people would burn flags in protest 
>>of an anti-flag-burning law.
>>
>>If you could explain to me what purpose we'd achieve by passing such a 
>>law, I'd be grateful. On the face of it, it seems like a really bad idea.
>>
>>--
>>Joe Campbell
>>
>>---- Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>=============
>>Or it could be that burning the flag is wrong, plain and simple. Maybe 
>>they are wasting one but Ill take that one day for doing the right thing 
>>and fixing what should have done the first time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
>>>To: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] West of Paris, Grand Opening
>>>Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:49:11 -0700
>>>
>>>On 8/17/06, Matt Decker <mattd2107 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mr. London,
>>>>
>>>>And just as they should. Why shouldn't the congress take one day out of
>>>>their schedule in order to make flag burning an offense?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Because doing so is taking a day out of their schedule to violate or,
>>>alternatively, create exceptions to the Constitution which they have
>>>all sworn to uphold? I don't know. Could be that.
>>>
>>>-- ACS
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