[Vision2020] Jesus did NOT say it

[Ralph Nielsen]

"Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:

 >>Jesus,
 >>the Logos, the Alpha and the Omega, is the Author of everything  
written
 >>from
 >>Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. So if it is in the Bible, Jesus did
 >>indeed say it.
 >
 >In which verse does the Bible assert that this is the case?

"Princess" Sushitushi wrote:

John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,  
and the
Word was God." [The entire Bible -- God's word -- is inseparable from  
Jesus,
the Word.]

2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of  
God." [Inspiration
refers to the work of the Spirit, but since God is Triune, the Son  
and the
Father are equally involved in the work of the Spirit.]

Colossians 2:3 "In [Christ] are hid all the treasures of wisdom and
knowledge." [The Bible is the greatest treasure of wisdom and knowledge.
(The complete text of 2 Timothy 3:16 above and the verse following  
is, "All
scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for  
doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that  
the man
of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.") The  
goal
of the Christian is to be perfectly conformed to Jesus Christ in His  
sinless
humanity. So the more one draws close to Him, the more the Bible  
comes into
view, and the more one draws close to the Bible, the more Christ  
comes into
view.]

Many more verses could be cited. There is no single verse which says,  
"Jesus
dictated the entire 66 books of the Bible," but the inescapable  
conclusion
of the testimony of scripture is that the entire Bible constitutes the
"sayings of Jesus."

-- Princess Sushitushi

Ralph Nielsen:

The "Word" in John 1:1 (Greek Logos, pronounced Log-os, not Low-gos)  
is a term borrowed from earlier Jewish and Greek theological  
speculation. It is in no way a demonstrable fact. It originally meant  
Wisdom, i.e., the Wisdom of God, but the author of John borrowed it  
to make it  apply to his Jesus. The other three gospels do not use  
this word with this meaning.

The "all scripture" referred to in 2 Tim. 3:16, indeed in the entire  
New Testament, except possibly in 2 Peter 2:15 (2 Peter is well known  
to be a forgery), can only be the Hebrew Scriptures. It cannot  
possibly be anything in the New Testament because most of it had not  
even been written in the time of Paul. (Some scholars think 2 Timothy  
is also a forgery.) The theological musings of the "princess" are not  
the least bit helpful to us.

Colossians 2:3 is simply a borrowing from the aforementioned Jewish- 
Hellenistic philosophy, which is then applied to Paul's Jesus.

To this day Christians do not agree on how many books there are  
supposed to be in the Bible. So Sushitushi's 66 books is speculation.  
In the time of Paul and the gospel writers the only scriptures  
considered "canonical" were the first five books of the Hebrew Bible,  
called the Torah. Some of the prophets were considered to be  
especially inspired but there was no Hebrew canon in NT days.

To state that the entire Hebrew-Greek Bible constitutes the "sayings  
of Jesus" is pure drivel.