[Vision2020] Missing the point

[J Ford]

"Two witnesses are required for prosecution every crime, although I suppose 
the testimony of DNA evidence could be accepted as one of the witnesses in 
cases of rape, etc.   If there are no witnesses, there is no criminal 
prosecution. "

Check with a lawyer, but I believe you may be a bit off 
here...circumstantial evidence has convicted many a person and there are 
times when there is not (see?  got it right) even a body to be found, but a 
crime has clearly been committed.

I believe just such a case was recently highlighted on Court TV.


J  :]

BTW, that's "religious" and "paranoia" since your boys have been more than 
kind enough to point out other's mis-spellings.





>From: "Taro Tanaka" <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Missing the point
>Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:16:51 +0000
>
>"Tony Simpson" <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
>
> >You have me concerned, Royal One.  In your last post you suggested that
> >homosexual behavior should be criminalized.  Now, while I agree that such
> >behavior is inappropriate and against the obvious design of the human 
>body,
> >I certainly don't think those who persist in acting thus should be 
>jailed.
> >Could you please clarify?
>
>Sure, Tony. I think we should obey the Bible in this area as in all other
>areas. Two witnesses are required for prosecution every crime, although I
>suppose the testimony of DNA evidence could be accepted as one of the
>witnesses in cases of rape, etc. If there are no witnesses, there is no
>criminal prosecution. Witnesses must participate in the execution of the
>penalty if it is a capital crime, and perjurers are in all cases liable to
>receive the penalty that would have been meted out to the victim of their
>false witness.
>
>As we see from Jesus' confrontation with the adulterous woman and the
>Pharisees, in such cases both offending parties must be dealt with equally.
>Contrary to biblical law, the Pharisees brought only the woman and not the
>man, even though they "caught her in the very act." She was obviously set
>up, and by calling the accusers to cast the first stone, Jesus was telling
>them in effect, "You want to play rough? -- I can play rough. I know the
>rulebook better than you guys. Which of you is willing to put his own life
>on the line in perpetuating this farce?"
>
>What we *don't* see in that confrontation is an abrogation of the death
>penalty for adultery.
>
>It should be added, as Doug Wilson has made clear repeatedly, the death
>penalty is not automatically required for adultery, homosexual acts, and
>other forms of "porneia." When guilt is established, such crimes are to be
>dealt with severely, but the meting out of the death penalty is just one
>option available to the judge.
>
>We also need to remember that in the case of consensual homosexual acts, it
>would be very easy for the consenting parties to keep their acts a secret.
>The existence of laws criminalizing such behavior is not a mandate to set 
>up
>sting operations or to spy on people. What homosexuals do in the privacy of
>their own bedrooms is in the nature of the case very difficult to 
>prosecute.
>And that is just fine and dandy. God does not call the civil magistrate to
>root out and destroy every last homosexual, or even every first homosexual.
>All God demands, in essence, is a situation where homosexuals must remain 
>in
>the closet. Official disapproval of homosexual behavior, on religiious
>principles, sends a message to God that we take His word seriously. Even if
>homosexuals continue to operate in the shadows, that is a much different
>situation in God's eyes than a situation where homosexuals are welcomed 
>with
>open arms and officially protected, again on religious principles -- the
>wrong religious principles.
>
>There is not a single recorded case of an individual being put to death in
>the Bible for homosexual acts. The notable exception to that is Sodom and
>Gomorrah, but even they were not executed for homosexual acts per se, so
>much as for a general wickedness, of which attempted homosexual rape was
>just one manifestation. Homosexuals who stay in the closet have little
>reason to fear for their physical safety in a Bible-believing society . . .
>although they may have good reason to fear for the eternal safety of their
>souls.
>
>-- Princess Sushitushi
>
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