[Vision2020] Missing the point

[david sarff]

Bummer... I translate that as. Go this way ,or, to hell with you who don’t.
Many would interpret that as under-tolerant.
Being as under-tolerance naturally leads to friction.
Friction is a drag.
Speaking for myself. I prefer non friction.

D Sarff



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>Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
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>[[ The whole damn debate started when Wilson tried to suggest (a) that
>slavery wasn't as bad as we thought that it was, (b) that some instances of
>slavery were justified (as long as the Master was "Christian" and the slave
>was Non-"Christian"), (c) and that persons deserved death on the basis of
>their sexual orientation. That sounds pretty intolerant to me . . . If he
>ever took it upon himself to stop saying such nonsense and to apologize to
>those in the community that he's offended we'd be well beyond this mess. ]]
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>Joe, I can't speak for Wilson, but I agree it sounds intolerant because it
>is intolerant, although I must point out one of your distortions of 
>Wilson's
>teachings: he has NEVER said that anyone deserves the death penalty on the
>basis of their sexual orientation. In any case, what he did actually say is
>plenty offensive enough to those who find the Bible offensive. The
>likelihood of Wilson ever ceasing from saying that or of him apologizing to
>people in the community that were offended by that would seem to be zero,
>because that is what the Bible itself teaches, and the church has 
>recognized
>that for millennia, and there is no need to apologize for to be embarrassed
>by anything that is in the Bible. You will note, for example, that by no
>stretch of the imagination has he has ever advocated vigilante violence
>against anyone. Rather, he is working (including praying and preaching) for
>society to return to a consistently biblical foundation. Presumably when
>that happens, the penal system will be reformed through the governmental
>system currently available to us, and, among other things, homosexual
>perversions will once again be recognized as criminal behavior rather than
>protected behavior. If that does happen, it will be through the work of the
>Holy Spirit convicting enough individual people so that as a net result
>society ends up being transformed. It will not be the result of some sort 
>of
>a coup d'etat by Doug Wilson and like-minded men who then impose some sort
>of a perverse "theonomic" martial law, Nick Gier's sick comparisons to the
>Taliban notwithstanding.
>
>[[ Criticism of intolerance is not itself a display of intolerance. ]]
>
>Actually, in your case that is exactly what it is. You can tolerate 
>anything
>except an absolutist position, because you have absolutized your radical
>relativism. You speak in praise of diversity until you encounter someone 
>who
>really is different from you, and then you can't handle that. The fact of
>the matter is that your much-vaunted commitments to tolerance and diversity
>are a sham -- a ruse aimed at silencing the voice of orthodox Christianity
>in the public square. When I say "sham," "ruse," and "aimed," I don't mean
>that you personally -- or for that matter necessarily anyone on V2020 -- is
>self-consciously aware of that. But that is exactly the case at a certain
>spiritual level. The great engine motivating all this is a deep-seated
>hostility to God's biblical revelation and to biblical revelation's God.
>
>-- Princesss Sushitushi
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