[Vision2020] Missing the point

[keely emerinemix]

Does the vision of Doug Wilson and his elders and the fellows at NSA for a 
transformed culture include a society where people obey zoning laws imposed 
by civil authority and eschew lying en masse to one's neighbors?

Golly, that does sound nifty!

keely





From: "Taro Tanaka" <taro_tanaka at hotmail.com>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Missing the point
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:46:22 +0000

Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:

[[ The whole damn debate started when Wilson tried to suggest (a) that
slavery wasn't as bad as we thought that it was, (b) that some instances of
slavery were justified (as long as the Master was "Christian" and the slave
was Non-"Christian"), (c) and that persons deserved death on the basis of
their sexual orientation. That sounds pretty intolerant to me . . . If he
ever took it upon himself to stop saying such nonsense and to apologize to
those in the community that he's offended we'd be well beyond this mess. ]]

Joe, I can't speak for Wilson, but I agree it sounds intolerant because it
is intolerant, although I must point out one of your distortions of Wilson's
teachings: he has NEVER said that anyone deserves the death penalty on the
basis of their sexual orientation. In any case, what he did actually say is
plenty offensive enough to those who find the Bible offensive. The
likelihood of Wilson ever ceasing from saying that or of him apologizing to
people in the community that were offended by that would seem to be zero,
because that is what the Bible itself teaches, and the church has recognized
that for millennia, and there is no need to apologize for to be embarrassed
by anything that is in the Bible. You will note, for example, that by no
stretch of the imagination has he has ever advocated vigilante violence
against anyone. Rather, he is working (including praying and preaching) for
society to return to a consistently biblical foundation. Presumably when
that happens, the penal system will be reformed through the governmental
system currently available to us, and, among other things, homosexual
perversions will once again be recognized as criminal behavior rather than
protected behavior. If that does happen, it will be through the work of the
Holy Spirit convicting enough individual people so that as a net result
society ends up being transformed. It will not be the result of some sort of
a coup d'etat by Doug Wilson and like-minded men who then impose some sort
of a perverse "theonomic" martial law, Nick Gier's sick comparisons to the
Taliban notwithstanding.

[[ Criticism of intolerance is not itself a display of intolerance. ]]

Actually, in your case that is exactly what it is. You can tolerate anything
except an absolutist position, because you have absolutized your radical
relativism. You speak in praise of diversity until you encounter someone who
really is different from you, and then you can't handle that. The fact of
the matter is that your much-vaunted commitments to tolerance and diversity
are a sham -- a ruse aimed at silencing the voice of orthodox Christianity
in the public square. When I say "sham," "ruse," and "aimed," I don't mean
that you personally -- or for that matter necessarily anyone on V2020 -- is
self-consciously aware of that. But that is exactly the case at a certain
spiritual level. The great engine motivating all this is a deep-seated
hostility to God's biblical revelation and to biblical revelation's God.

-- Princesss Sushitushi

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