[Vision2020] You Make the Call
Deacon James
deaconblues42 at gmail.com
Fri Aug 11 17:43:43 PDT 2006
Chris,
I do coach youth sports, and have for the last four years.
I like your style, though. Because the kids aren't any good ("The best
kids have been snapped up by the Cal Ripken League"), they shouldn't
be expected to be competitive. You're right; we should leave the
winning to the kids who are good at sports.
Have a good weekend,
Deacon
On 8/11/06, Chris Storhok <cstorhok at co.fairbanks.ak.us> wrote:
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> Deacon,
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> (again sorry for the slow response, the Barracuda Spam firewall mistakes a lot of V2020 emails as spam, that incident few weeks ago fried it)
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> My argument is that even if it is the championship game, it is still a bunch of 9 and 10 year olds and to do what Coach Farley did was rotten. This wasn't the world series but the Bountiful, Utah 9-10 year old PONY League Championships and Coach Farley broke the spirit of PONY league to ensure he won his championship. I mean really, who would want to have a championship trophy tainted in such a manner. Farley's knowledge of this kid and his illness makes it that much worse, really Deacon, if you were coaching a Moscow Parks and Recreation baseball team (knowing the best kids have been snapped up by the Cal Ripken League) and were in the same situation you would coach like Farley did? Do you know how your reputation would be torn asunder in town? It took me years to live down a poor sportsmanship error I made while coaching a women's softball team in Moscow; I was well within the rules, the umps conceded that, the other coach conceded that but still the coaching decision was poor. I learned my lesson. I will challenge you Deacon to go find a sport in Moscow or elsewhere that you know well and then volunteer to coach. Not only will it be one of the most rewarding non-family decisions you will make, but I know you would have a much better understanding of what I am talking about.
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> Concerning Ichiro, heck it's the Major's….maybe the coach wanted to test his team's ability to turn the DP???
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> BTW, a lot of coaches at the youth level mix their talent in the lineup, it usually prevents a sting of outs. The risks are situations like this or the next hitter hitting into a DP. The star hitter's task is to clear off the bases; next guy up has a clean slate and usually is walked since a 9-10 year old pitcher is usually rattled after a hit.
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> From: Scott Dredge [mailto:sdredge at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 1:35 PM
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> To: Deacon James; Chris Storhok
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> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020; Joan Opyr
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] You Make the Call
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> Deacon writes:
> "why is the team's worst hitter batting right after the best?"
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> Bingo. If you want to protect the best hitter, have the 2nd best hitting next. The correct management decision regardless of the follow up hitter would be to the walk the star hitter.
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> -Scott
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Deacon James <deaconblues42 at gmail.com>
> To: Chris Storhok <cstorhok at co.fairbanks.ak.us>
> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Joan Opyr <joanopyr at moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 1:43:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] You Make the Call
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> Chris,
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> My point is that it was the championship game. I think that they have all season to play like that and I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. However, when it comes to playing in the championship game, I have no problem with giving the slugger a free pass.
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> In March, I was listening to a Mariners spring training game and the opposing pitcher intentionally walked Ichiro. That, to me, is stupid, and it made me mad. Regular season -- fine, but not in spring training. The manager needs to see what his pitcher can do. I think this is a similar case.
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> And on a side, why is the team's worst hitter batting right after the best? Must have been a pinch hitter/runner...
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> Take care,
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> Deacon
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> On 8/11/06, Chris Storhok <cstorhok at co.fairbanks.ak.us> wrote:
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> Deacon,
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> (For some odd reason I did not get your email – probably stuck in the spam filter)
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> You are so wrong it stinks, I cannot believe you have such an attitude toward youth sports. First off you little insinuation that I am some politically correct "give the kids an ice cream cone and make them feel good" freak is way off base. I am a very competitive person and I coach that way as well. That being said I also realize that sportsmanship is the most valuable lesson you can give kids this age. Look at the situation and determine the correct way to play it. First off the great slugger probably only gets on board 40% of the time anyway (if he was better than that he would be in some competitive league anyway) Next your pitcher seems to be doing all right anyway, heck he has two outs and only one runner on why make him feel like crap by telling him that he is not good enough to face the best (remember he is just as much as a victim of this situation as the kid who had cancer) and the only way to win is to pitch to the worst kid on the team. Next, a 9-or 10 year old slugger in Pony League probably can't hit most of the time past your infielders anyway so position them to field the hit and throw him out at first; have you outfielders in at the range this kid hits most of his fly balls to (they would know that depth by now) and field the fly or hit (followed by a throw to first (that play works well in Pony league)). If the slugger happens to get a hold of a long shot oh well game over…..but your odds are really low that will happen. The slugger would have been nervous as well (thus lowering his chances of a clean hit). This is not the majors, minors, high school league, competitive leagues, or adult league, this is a 9-10 year old kids league. The kids would have enjoyed the game no matter what the outcome was if it was played with good sportsmanship, sure the Yankees would have griped if the Sox's won but life would have gone on. Bob Farley missed one of those golden opportunities that the kids dream about, striking out the best and winning the championship. Instead the poor pitcher won his game by striking out the cancer kid, where is the glory in that????? (Damn, wouldn't it have been nice if the cancer survivor had hit the game winner… there is always next year)
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> From: Tom Hansen [mailto:thansen at moscow.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:06 PM
> To: 'Deacon James'; Chris Storhok
> Cc: 'Joan Opyr'; 'Moscow Vision 2020'
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] You Make the Call
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> After all, the entire concept behind youth (especially 10- and 11-year olds) baseball is enjoyment and learning. If they make new friends along the way, the better.
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> Save the concepts, such as "Losing is not an option" and "Winning isn't everything. It is the only thing," for Babe Ruth League and high school. The formative years are just that, formative. It is more important to see that person next to you as a neighbor, not a competitor in the game of "One Upmanship".
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> Tom Hansen
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> From: Deacon James [mailto:deaconblues42 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:53 PM
> To: Chris Storhok
> Cc: Tom Hansen; Joan Opyr; Moscow Vision 2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] You Make the Call
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> Chris,
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> What's the point of having a championship game, then? Why not just slap all the kids on the back at the end of the season and buy them a pile of ice cream cones? That way, no one's a loser, the coach doesn't have to be perceived as a jerk, and, hey, ice cream cones all around. It's a win-win-win situation, don't you think?
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> Deacon
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> On 8/11/06, Chris Storhok <cstorhok at co.fairbanks.ak.us> wrote:
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> Tom,
> This is an easy one A) Pitch to the slugger. Period...
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> One of the great joys about being a youth sports coach is working with
> the kids and watching them mature before your eyes. These coaches are
> playing with kids and there is nothing worse than watching coaches
> manipulate the kids or the rules for a simple win. These are 9 and 10
> year olds for goodness sake, not high school age kids trying for college
> scholarships. A vast majority of the kids out there will drop out of
> organized baseball (and other sports) within the next few years of their
> lives. PONY league was established nationwide with the goal of putting
> fun back into the game. This kind of crap happens in Little League all
> the time and is why Little League is losing players ever year. We first
> started playing PONY League the year we moved to Fairbanks. That was
> also the first year of PONY League here because parents were sick and
> tired of Little League and the competitive pressures on each and every
> team. The PONY League organization does have a competitive league for
> kids that draw out the better talent and leave the recreation teams
> pretty equal. Here in Fairbanks, the PONY League has brought back to
> the game hundreds of players who had left the game. Last year the
> Senior League (13-14 year olds) had only 4 teams, this year they were up
> to 11 teams. Granted most of these players were not good, but they had
> a good time and learned a lot about baseball and life. I can clearly
> see that the Yankees coaches in Utah have forgotten the spirit of
> recreation PONY League, if he wanted to coach that way he should be in
> Little League or a competitive team with the PONY organization. What a
> jerk, I know I would have been giving him a hard time as well. (At
> least the poor kid who struck out to end the game sounds like he will be
> back, good for him)
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> Chris
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hansen
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 10:55 AM
> To: Joan Opyr; 'Moscow Vision 2020'
> Subject: [Vision2020] You Make the Call
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> >From this week's "Life of Reilly" column by Rick Reilly of the Sports
> Illustrated -
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> Once you have completed reading the article, please respond to the
> one-question survey I have posted at the end.
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> You make the call
> Is it good baseball strategy or a weak attempt to win?
> By Rick Reilly
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> This actually happened. Your job is to decide whether it should have.
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> In a nine- and 10-year-old PONY league championship game in Bountiful,
> Utah,
> the Yankees lead the Red Sox by one run. The Sox are up in the bottom of
> the
> last inning, two outs, a runner on third. At the plate is the Sox' best
> hitter, a kid named Jordan. On deck is the Sox' worst hitter, a kid
> named
> Romney. He's a scrawny cancer survivor who has to take human growth
> hormone
> and has a shunt in his brain.
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> So, you're the coach: Do you intentionally walk the star hitter so you
> can
> face the kid who can barely swing?
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> Wait! Before you answer.... This is a league where everybody gets to
> bat,
> there's a four-runs-per-inning max, and no stealing until the ball
> crosses
> the plate. On the other hand, the stands are packed and it is the title
> game.
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> So ... do you pitch to the star or do you lay it all on the kid who's
> been
> through hell already?
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> Yanks coach Bob Farley decided to walk the star.
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> Parents booed. The umpire, Mike Wright, thought to himself, Low-ball
> move.
> In the stands, Romney's eight-year-old sister cried. "They're picking on
> Romney!" she said. Romney struck out. The Yanks celebrated. The Sox
> moaned.
> The two coaching staffs nearly brawled.
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> And Romney? He sobbed himself to sleep that night.
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> "It made me sick," says Romney's dad, Marlo Oaks. "It's going after the
> weakest chick in the flock."
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> Farley and his assistant coach, Shaun Farr, who recommended the walk,
> say
> they didn't know Romney was a cancer survivor. "And even if I had,"
> insists
> Farr, "I'd have done the same thing. It's just good baseball strategy."
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> Romney's mom, Elaine, thinks Farr knew. "Romney's cancer was in the
> paper
> when he met with President Bush," she says. That was thanks to the
> Make-A-Wish people. "And [Farr] coached Romney in basketball. I tell all
> his
> coaches about his condition."
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> She has to. Because of his radiation treatments, Romney's body may not
> produce enough of a stress-responding hormone if he is seriously
> injured, so
> he has to quickly get a cortisone shot or it could be life-threatening.
> That's why he wears a helmet even in centerfield. Farr didn't notice?
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> The sports editor for the local Davis Clipper, Ben De Voe, ripped the
> Yankees' decision. "Hopefully these coaches enjoy the trophy on their
> mantle," De Voe wrote, "right next to their dunce caps."
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> Well, that turned Bountiful into Rancorful. The town was split -- with
> some
> people calling for De Voe's firing and describing Farr and Farley as
> "great
> men," while others called the coaches "pathetic human beings." They
> "should
> be tarred and feathered," one man wrote to De Voe. Blogs and letters
> pages
> howled. A state house candidate called it "shameful."
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> What the Yankees' coaches did was within the rules. But is it right to
> put
> winning over compassion? For that matter, does a kid who yearns to be
> treated like everybody else want compassion?
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> "What about the boy who is dyslexic -- should he get special treatment?"
> Blaine and Kris Smith wrote to the Clipper. "The boy who wears glasses
> --
> should he never be struck out? ... NO! They should all play by the rules
> of
> the game."
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> The Yankees' coaches insisted that the Sox coach would've done the same
> thing. "Not only wouldn't I have," says Sox coach Keith Gulbransen, "I
> didn't. When their best hitter came up, I pitched to him. I especially
> wouldn't have done it to Romney."
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> Farr thinks the Sox coach is a hypocrite. He points out that all coaches
> put
> their worst fielder in right field and try to steal on the weakest
> catchers.
> "Isn't that strategy?" he asks. "Isn't that trying to win? Do we let the
> kid
> feel like he's a winner by having the whole league play easy on him?
> This
> isn't the Special Olympics. He's not retarded."
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> Me? I think what the Yanks did stinks. Strategy is fine against major
> leaguers, but not against a little kid with a tube in his head. Just
> good
> baseball strategy? This isn't the pros. This is: Everybody bats,
> one-hour
> games. That means it's about fun. Period.
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> What the Yankees' coaches did was make it about them, not the kids. It
> became their medal to pin on their pecs and show off at their barbecues.
> And
> if a fragile kid got stomped on the way, well, that's baseball. We see
> it
> all over the country -- the over-caffeinated coach who watches too much
> SportsCenter and needs to win far more than the kids, who will forget
> about
> it two Dove bars later.
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> By the way, the next morning, Romney woke up and decided to do something
> about what happened to him.
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> "I'm going to work on my batting," he told his dad. "Then maybe someday
> I'll
> be the one they walk."
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> Simple Survey:
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> Would you -
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> A) Pitch to the slugger (Jordan)
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> B) Walk the slugger
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> Thanks,
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> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
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> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
> arriving
> safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
> sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly
> used
> up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'"
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