[Vision2020] Minimum wage
Sunil Ramalingam
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Thu Aug 10 11:36:35 PDT 2006
Donovan,
Why do you use the farcical 'Best' after one of your ridiculous posts?
You're such an ass. Wait, I insulted asses everywhere. Who will defend
them?
Best,
Sunil
PS Are you mad because I didn't call Dan a meanie for calling you a wall?
Or was he using a simile? Do you need to take time off from one of your
jobs to look those up?
>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:09:52 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Well Sunil, we know it cannot be you that defends me because I am not a
>terrorist and sworn enemy to the people of the United States and that
>seems to be the only people you have been willing to defend.
>
> Best,
>
> _DJA
>
>Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote: Oh great, now
>someone's going to have to defend him. Dan, stop calling him
>a pig, you big meanie.
>
>There.
>
>Sunil
>
> >From: "keely emerinemix"
> >To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, privatejf32 at hotmail.com,
> >vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
> >Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:28:13 -0700
> >
> >Gee, I think we've hit a new low here.
> >
> >keely
> >
> >
> >From: Donovan Arnold
> >To: J Ford
>, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
> >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:38:19 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Well Jackie,
> >
> > FYI, I have three jobs. How many do you have? I bet you don't have one
> >and collect a government check or someone else is supporting you. I
>don't
> >have time to be vandalizing people's property, harassing bookstore
>owners,
> >launching frivolous lawsuits against the school district, and inundating
> >the police and city officials with vindictive filings against what my
> >neighbors are doing. How do you make a living Jackie, because we sure do
> >know you are not stable enough to maintain a regular job, much less make
> >enough to feed two people.
> >
> > Second, I have been to a couple school board meeting. You were at one
>of
> >them, sitting there yelling at the top you lungs at Phil Roderick for
> >having an opinion different then yours, and mysteriously, his property
>was
> >vandalized too.
> >
> > Third, so you ask how MSD could save money, one of the best ways for
>the
> >MSD and Moscow to save money would be to drop you off on an island
> >somewhere, or ship you back to Alaska, so we don't have to hire so many
> >city employees, pay frivolous lawsuits, repair damages to our property,
> >and pay more in insurance premiums.
> >
> > That would be good start.
> >
> >
> >"Pastor Wilson, the Church of Christ is the absolute example of what a
>cult
> >is NOT.
> >There is NO brainwashing, there is NO physical/pyschological abuse.
> >There is NO condemnation of the soul if someone choses to leave.
> >There is NO part of Christ Church which worships anyone else but God and
> >HIS word.
> >The Church of Christ AND Pastor Wilson do answer to people outside of our
> >town and community.
> >A cult answers only to itself." Jackie Woolf Thu, 11 Dec 2003
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > _DJA
> >
> >
> >J Ford
> wrote: Dictate to us...em, sorry -
> >ENLIGHTEN us as to how you feel the MSD is
> >wasting money on the children? Just where should the budget be cut?
> >
> >Sounds to me you are verra familiar with the affects of an illegal
> >substance; howbeit, since you have NEVER made it to a committee or School
> >Board meeting, please - spread your light this-a-way and let the city
>know
> >what plan you think would work and just how would it be paid for? And
>just
> >how would you, who apparently has all knowledge, propose to get the
> >community to accept anything you come up with any more readily than the
> >plans MSD has proposed?
> >
> >Since most of the jobs in any given city/town/state is private or
>privately
> >corporate, what other sector should be providing jobs? Not everyone can
>be
> >a "professional student" receiving loans and grants to make it through
> >life,
> >so please let us know what other sector is out there to provide jobs that
> >hasnae.
> >
> >And while you're in a mood of explainging things - what the living lights
> >is
> >a "pot smoking circle"?
> >
> >
> >
> >J ;|
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Donovan Arnold
> > >To: Tom Ivie , keely emerinemix ,
> > > gweitz at moscow.com, ringoshirl at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
> > >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 07:09:32 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Tom,
> > >
> > > You can pay for it by getting the MSD to stop wasting money in our
> > >current school system. Second, they can get the private sector to help
> >out
> > >in many job fields. A company wants nothing more than a bunch of
>highly
> > >trained workers straight out of school. Third, if the MSD would come
>up
> > >with a proposal that didn't sound like something contrived during a
>high
> > >school pot smoking circle they might be able gain community support.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > _DJA
> > >
> > >Tom Ivie wrote: How do you pay for that when we
> > >can't even pass bonds for buildings and the state has to step in to
>fund
> > >that?
> > >
> > >Donovan Arnold wrote: . . ."under Donovan's
> > >plan, parents will have tons more free time --
> > >what with being excused from the kinds of things most of us signed up
>for
> > >as
> > >parents -- and will then form roaming street gangs or start smoking or
> > >having sex."-- Keely Mix
> > >
> > >
> > >Keely,
> > >
> > >I know you are the expert on education being on the school board and
> >all.
> > >But, as I understand it, all parents have already been having sex.
> > >
> > >_DJA
> > >
> > >keely emerinemix wrote: Of course, under Donovan's
> > >plan, parents will have tons more free time --
> > >what with being excused from the kinds of things most of us signed up
> >for
> > >as
> > >parents -- and will then form roaming street gangs or start smoking or
> > >having sex.
> > >
> > >keely
> > >
> > >
> > >From: Donovan Arnold
> > >To: Jerry Weitz , Shirley Ringo ,
> > >vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Minimum wage
> > >Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:55:21 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Jerry,
> > >
> > >I agree with you 100% regarding the workforce training. The school
>system
> > >needs to start kids one year earlier, let them out one year later ,and
> >use
> > >those two extra years to train youth a job skill, good work ethic, how
>to
> > >search for and find a job, keep a job, and advance in that field.
> > >
> > >They also need to teach youth how to do taxes, be a responsible member
>of
> > >the community, build social skills, know first aid and establish
>healthy
> > >eating habits, and all about how credit and debit works.
> > >
> > >In other words, schools need to teach youth the things they are going
>to
> > >need to know about living in modern society and doing well. So many
> >things
> > >you learn in school today seem pointless when you get out and never use
> >it.
> > >You also find yourself hurting in other areas when you are expected to
> >know
> > >how to do something in life but nobody ever taught you.
> > >
> > >Thanks for your email.
> > >
> > >Best,
> > >
> > >_DJA
> > >
> > >Jerry Weitz wrote:
> > >Raising the minimum wage from $5.15 to $6.15 will not help in real
> > >inflation-adjusted buying power--it is too small of an increase. So
>let’s
> > >discuss the fundamentals. As Virginia’s former Democratic governor Mark
> > >Warner’s track record illustrates, skills training in our high schools
> > >would help increase wages for Idaho’s workforce and encourage more
>jobs.
> > >With the push for community colleges in the urban areas of Idaho, I
> >believe
> > >that our local high schools could become the rural equivalent of
> > >community
> > >college. This would cost money and would require a willingness to
>change
> > >the current high school structure.
> > >
> > >The state legislature’s current focus on shifting school funding from
> > >property taxes to the sales tax (the current maintenance and operations
> > >debate) misses the point. Instead of focusing on ways to shift funds, I
> > >would urge consideration for increased funding for the
> >creation/maintenance
> > >of skills centers in local high schools. Rather than seeking a balanced
> > >taxation approach, the Idaho Education Association has promoted a tax
> >shift
> > >to the sales tax, which sends a confusing message.
> > >
> > >When one examines France, with a high minimum wage, a large
> > >under-skilled/inexperienced segment of its youth, guaranteed employment
> > >contracts, unbending unionization, top down regulations, etc., one
> >observes
> > >high unemployment, a high cost of living, and extreme social unrest.
> > >
> > >What works: 1) create/maintain superior education for both the
> > >college-bound and the non-college-bound, 2) invest in infrastructure,
>3)
> >be
> > >friendly to business, 4) be environmentally wise, and 5) do this
>without
> > >going deeply into debt, which requires prioritization. Ireland has
> > >followed the above policies with exceptional success. We should follow
> >the
> > >lead of former governor Warner and Virginia’s Republican legislature
>and
> > >make these policies non-partisan. From what I’ve learned, Larry Grant,
> >our
> > >district’s Democratic candidate for Congress, seems to understand this
> > >non-partisan, middle of the road approach.
> > >
> > >Jerry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 11:11 AM 8/7/06, Shirley Ringo wrote:
> > >Visionaries:
> > >
> > >
> > >I cannot resist the urge to weigh in on the minimum wage issue. I
> > >proposed legislation during the most recent legislative session to
>raise
> > >the minimum wage to $6.15. It received very little support from
> > >Republicans. (Our District 6 Republicans did support it, and
> > >Representative Trail will co-sponsor the effort with us again next
>year.)
> > >
> > >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
> > >
> > >We plan to try again next year, at an amount above $6.15.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Without getting into the usual arguments, it’s unacceptable to have a
> > >minimum wage that leaves those paid at that level in cruel poverty.
> > >Lawmakers have neglected maintenance on minimum wage levels. In 1968,
>the
> > >minimum wage meant something positive to families. In
>inflation-adjusted
> > >dollars, it has lost nearly 40% of its value between 1968 and now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >According to polling, the vast majority of Americans believe the
>minimum
> > >wage should be higher. I believe eighteen states have a minimum wage
> > >higher than the $5.15 federal level, which has not been raised since
> >1997.
> > >Some of these states have used the initiative process to get results,
> >where
> > >state legislators would not act on it. In some of these states, there
> >has
> > >been significant help from Republican leaders.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Many claims of negative consequences do not seem to be true. One of the
> > >claims is that jobs will be lost. In the majority of states that have
> > >raised the minimum wage, there has in fact been an increase in jobs.
>(We
> > >can’t claim the wage increase caused more jobs, but the decrease some
> > >predicted didn’t happen.) An increase in employee productivity and less
> > >absenteeism was reported where the pay level increased.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On the inflation issue, "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
> > >/>Florida reported after
> > >raising their minimum wage a very minor increase in some prices. Since
>a
> > >relatively small percent of the employed receive minimum wage, one
>might
> > >not expect a dramatic increase in prices. (We can expect a “ripple
> >effect”
> > >though, where employers will raise wages to be more competitive.) One
> >year
> > >ago in Idaho, according to the Department of Commerce and Labor,
>32,000
> > >Idahoans received a wage between $5.15 and $6.15 per hour. While Idaho
> > >State Government employee pay is entirely too low, almost none of them
> > >receive pay as low as $5.15 per hour. I don’t consider it an undisputed
> > >fact that there will be significant inflation, but we can certainly
>study
> > >the issue in the states that have raised the minimum wage.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Workers who receive minimum wage live from paycheck to paycheck. (If
> > >they can make it stretch.) They have no discretionary money. What are
> > >they to do when their taxes go up? Just more water in the gravy, I
>guess.
> > >At the minimum wage, it takes more than one full day to earn the money
>to
> > >buy fifteen gallons of gasoline.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >While I continue to study the issue, I am convinced that some of the
> > >negative consequences of raising the minimum wage are over-stated. I am
> > >also steadfast in my belief that it is unacceptable to value people
>and
> > >families so little that we allow such a low level of compensation for
> >their
> > >efforts and to address their needs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Shirley
> > >
> > >
> > >
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